Dec 10, 2012

Why I Left the City Of Angels International Christian Church

(En español)

The description of my experiences has been divided into three main parts:

Part One, where one of the main leaders in the church bilks me out of thousands of dollars with lies and tricks and then threatens me (temporarily) into silence;

Part Two, where it it revealed that the lies go much farther than had at first been evident; and that going to top leadership (aka, Kip McKean) is useless,

Part Three, where Kip McKean and other leaders in the church threaten to try to destroy my family.

And finally, conclusions that can be drawn from all of this.

Please note that I have since left the City of Angels International Christian Church and its respective "Sold-Out Discipling Movement" and moved far away in an attempt to protect my family and our respective mental, social, spiritual, and physical health.

These things are far from pleasant for me to talk or write about. However I am sharing my story here publicly so that others can be made aware and in the hope that I can prevent at least someone from having to go through similar trauma or abuse.

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43 comments:

  1. I am sorry about your experience with that church. I know I had to break down a lot of fundamentalism that I had either preconceived from myself and my naiveness or the environment I was a part of in Cincinnati.

    I am glad that you are blogging your experience, not in anger; but rather as a support to others in a similar situation.

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  2. Hola, buen día. Después de leer su texto redacté un breve ensayo con mis reflexiones al respecto. Quizá sea de su interés leerlo y, si gusta, ofrecerme sus comentarios acerca de cualquier aspecto de mi ensayo: ¿Pureza moral?

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    1. Gracias Marco, lei tu ensayo y esta muy bueno! Saludos!

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  3. Por favor, sería bueno que postearas la historia completa, con sus tres partes, en español, ya que sería muy beneficioso para los que están tratando de saber mas de este grupo tan nocivo y no hablan inglés. Te puedo asegurar que son muchas y lo va a necesitar.

    Gracias por tu valentía y profundidad al escribirlo.

    Esperamos tu traducción! Gracias!!

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    1. Aqui puedes leer la traduccion de la historia completa:

      http://ministeriolatino.blogspot.com/2013/01/el-porque-yo-sali-de-la-iglesia-de-kip.html

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  4. Would be good to hear the other side of the story before jumping to conclusions.

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    1. Your words ring true. Unfortunately, experience with Kip and the ICC show that they are quite willing to "bend" the truth shamelessly to benefit their own ends. In fact, this has taken place in the case of my story, with baseless attacks on my character on my Facebook page when I posted this blog there. For the record, I did my very, very best to describe events exactly as-is, and did not embellish or change ANYTHING. Sadly, all events are as described.

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  5. Dear Anonymous 1/16/13 - The other side of the story from the ICOC Leaders most likely won't be the truth anyway. If you were a member of the ICOC, you would know that the other side of the story just doesn't matter. Members who eventually leave for being used and abused are NEVER right, and they are labeled as wrong, rebellious, prideful, arrogant, etc.

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    1. Some people, many, will not learn until their souls are left in tatters by this malevolent beast in sheeps clothing. By then there will be enough new, fresh, untainted meat for him to claim and satiate himself upon. - Repented, former NYCOC member

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  6. I found this blog excellent, great job, helps explain allot of the inner workings of a wicked mind control cult.

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    1. Thank you Helena. We'd love to hear your story as well.

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  7. Well if Your so smart why dont YOU start the One True Church that is going to save humanity from its Sins!

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    1. Shut up half wit

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    2. To Anonymous (April 25): Please, let's keep our comments civil and constructive. Those who are just escaping the ICC, or who may still be under its power, are better helped by love and compassion than by verbal abuse. They have already been abused enough!

      (BTW, if you look at that guy's page, I think you'll find that his comments might be just a little tongue-in-cheek.)

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    3. He's still a half wit

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    4. "I Love Kip McKean", Is that what you think Kip did? He started the "One True Church"?

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    5. You love Kip!!!, he did not start the one true church, Kip started the church so he could live of others and not work, Kip is not a good guy, i know from my experience of him in the ICOC i left that church to

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  8. No True Church will save anyone from anything, much less from sin. That is the work of Jesus Christ alone. Jesus saves. Get it.

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    1. Thanks for posting, Cryptoreformer.

      (Cryptoreformer is a former member and minister in the Church of Christ who considers the traditional CoC to be a cult, the ICOC a super-cult, and the ICC a super, mega-cult.)

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  9. Well shouldn't we speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where the bible is silent by baptizing disciples only after they show forth fruit worthy of repentance in their personal lives, only after they evangelize their apt. complex, after they tithe, then they are ready to receive the free gift of salvation by being baptize....hopefully they have faith but if so they're faith is dead until dunked, I mean baptized, in water. And if baptized before anyone you have to work harder to get right and get sin out of your life since.the sins of the previous person were floating around in the water and is now on the last person baptized. And that being the case in a few years they should be rebaptized as a disciple because the first wasn't valid. Why? Well if the sins of another are in the water and get on you the.it's not valid.

    In fact we must have a perfect understanding prior to baptism and since it's so important may as well be rebaptized just in case.

    For that matter keep the standard high, crank it up more you should convert your mother before being baptized. And if that contradicts what you think about Romans ch. 4 and 5 then you're wrong...get rebaptized. That's scriptural, I know it is since it's a hard message because Jesus yoke is hard and his burden is so heavy you need multiple disciplers to achieve heaven. Well be blessed, here bro give me a close front hug. ---Clark, some spiritual porns. are trying slander and persecute me so be aware.

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    1. Haha thanks for the ironic comments. Yes, what you suggest is pretty much a logical extension of what the church teaches.

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  10. so after reading this and seeing both views one question I ponder on is what is the relationship between kips new group the iioc vs the older churches of christ that we was banned or left from?they both have a very big group in la,what is their view of each other?

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    1. The ICOC does not want to know anything about Kip. The ICC is always trying to get back the disciples from ICOC to join Kip's new church.

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    2. Unfortunately, in the money- and numbers-centric environment fostered by Kip McKean's leadership when building the ICOC and now the ICC, members are assigned value in large part due to how much money they bring into the church coffers (that is, how much they contribute to covering ministry lifestyle expenses.) Sad but true. Both sides want to win the war of pride, numbers, and money.

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    3. To answer the Anonymous post at the head of this mini-section, the ICOC, CoC, and ICC are all separate groups in Los Angeles, with no co-mingling, and each one of the 3 groups will probably try to convince you that the other 2 groups are bad.

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  11. i am not part of kips group,however it seems that he is going by the bible,it is a hard teaching and most people can't handle giving up their life for it,we as a people love being our own God. self centered focused on satisfy the flesh.It's hard to be a noah in a world of non believers,I pray each day to be in God's grace

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    1. Anonymous I want you to know that my heart is hurting right now. I hurt for you and many others. I love God and am not self-centered, I am generous financially. I have had the opportunity of meeting people from your group and they feel I am not saved. But yet they will take my money and beg from others. I have watched some of these people ignore the basic needs of their children in order to give money to the kingdom. I am not talking tithing but sacrificial giving. Not paying car insurance, taxes and etc. God is a God of order not manipulation, and deceit. I pray daily for God to bring Kip to repentance and for your eyes to be open to Jesus and your ears the ability to hear his voice. For you to recognized spiritual abuse and help others to do the same.

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    2. To Anonymous 1: The ICC goes by Kip's selective interpretation of the Bible, which in my opinion, uses such strong and absolutist language that it is a dangerous guide for living, especially when placed in narcissistic, controlling, manipulative hands like Kip's.

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    3. Anonymous 2: Agreed. I remember one time when I was in an ICOC church under Kip's control and a lady literally did not have money to feed her kids warm meals for the week and was still guiltily giving her weekly contribution to the church. The leaders lived in a huge house in a gated, privately policed community, with two full-time live-in servants to help with their two kids, had two nice new cars, and were constantly haranguing the members to sacrifice and give more and more money. By the way, I never saw the church give the slightest help to that poor single mom or her kids who were sacrificing the tiny bit they had to help support the luxurious lifestyle of their ICOC leaders.

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  12. thanks to all you ex icc members, i am (excuse me was) in the process of becoming apart of icc. i grew up pentecostal/nondenominational and in the past 5 or so years really started reading the scripture i also recommitted myself. when i had been going to the meetings i was told that being baptized in the past was irrelevant and a bunch of other things that i felt were kind of wrong, but i liked how they were disciples so that's why i was continuing. when it came to stuff about the holy spirit they were saying things thhat seemed true because they could back it up with scripture. since then i had two friends that stopped participating because of the same reasons and one of them was feeling like they are a cult and i decided to further investigate and found out about all of you guys and that did it for me. i know God was truly working on my side because i asked him for the truth, and i was days (this sunday) from being baptized and being a member, hey God works. and i dont care if they know my name, so what, come kill me, do what you want because i have all of you guys and my family and friends that can destroy the whole church if they do so. there is one thing i would like to state, i will continue to go to their meetings because i now know what's truth and what's not and i'm not scared of them. i want to do my best and bring people out of their church because the one i know is relatively small. I have people on the outside and will continue to have them as support as i go undercover and further investigate the church. Again thank you all so much for having my back God will truly bless you all for it.
    love your brother in christ,
    Harrison Franklin. :)

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    1. HF, thanks for commenting! That's great that you were able to save yourself the endless headaches that I endured for so many years as a member of this group. Be careful going to the meetings, because they are experts in finding ways to convince people to bend to their will (the leader of the ICC, Kip McKean, is a true master at this.) Best of luck and stay free!

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  13. Stop wasting time making up stories and complaining but rather thankful you have. been called into one body , go and congregate yourself where you will grow in faith and where they teach sound doctrine and everything that is commanded in the bible ...

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    1. Welcome current ICC member! I assure you, nothing in my story is made up - sadly, everything happened just as I described it. And my goal is not to complain, but to try to prevent the same things from happening to some other unfortunate soul out there who may read about it and be successfully warned away. I sure wish someone had been there to help me avoid flushing away 15 years and $40k on this scam of a group.

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  14. Let's wait for the Sold Out Sold Out Movement - it's coming soon :)

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  15. I don't know any other church that follows the bible as much as this one. when you follow the bible you will be persecuted. theres no other church I know that is persecuted besides this one. This church is the truth and it is not a cult. the more you call it a cult the more you make the bible alive and active

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  16. Its so sad such a typical brainwashed response

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  17. Hi. thanks for sharing all your experiences. I'm a catholic christian. I was about to join this group. luckily, I' out of it now. but, my boy friend got stuck with this group.wish he comes out of it. which church do you think can replace ICC to keep me stronger in God's word and to bring non-Christians into faith? because, it's our duty to reveal the good news of God to everyone. how can we do it without a church"s support? please give your inputs!

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    1. I'd pray for God's discernment and then check out non-denominational Christian churches that start their sermons with "Open your bibles to _____" and where you sense God's love and peace. People have some sort of (healthy) privacy in their lives but also lean on each other for prayer and encouragement. The message of the cross is preached and the word is the final authority. ALSO: prosperity and favor are NOT preached, but rather that Jesus is with us in every trial and tribulation molding us into his image. That's a church you want to be part of!!

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  18. Who do you truly follow? People or God? The bible or opinion. You have a bible for yourself.....but to hear you persecute something that you obviously are bitter about sucks. Plus people are talking about them not getting baptized because of you. Them not living out scripture. That blood is on your Hands. Ezekiel 3 and 33. Read Romans chapter 1. Because you are not truly promoting people to not follow the bible. And it sucks to hear this anonymous person who is catholic. Read Ezekiel 18:20. And jesus was baptized as an adult not a baby. Plus she is living with her boyfriend which if its not by the bible, its probably sexually immoral. I was once there. But you should leave you parents only for you husband. Now Back to the topic. Its all about following scripture. And building a relationship with GOD. If you get caught up in titles or people or fellowship or money or bitter tithe examples. By the way its biblical that the woman with the two pennies gave them. OUT of faith. God will not be made a fool. So follow God. Through the Bible and stop slandering people who are trying to do exactly that. We are all sinners and without GOD we are truly wicked. NOW THAT YOU ARE NOT IN THE MOVEMENT WHAT DO YOU DO TO LIVE IT OUT......Did you go back to your old sinful ways.... Are you growing spiritually? I love Jesus I love God , i follow them, if the ICC contradicts the bible then its dueces. But my love and my dedication wont change. FOLLOW THE WORD. LIVE IT OUT. Stop slandering on the internet and putting peoples salvation at sake. IF you know the way. Please show me because last time i checked JESUS IS THE WAY AND THE ONLY WAY. so as it says in the bible IN 1 john. Live like jesus.....not like KIP or any other human

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    1. NOOOO! call out the false from among you. If people don't get baptized in that corrupt church who cares.

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    2. Jesus said anyone who live by the scribes and things that written on tablets and in ink will not inherit the kingdom of God. That's why we are led by the Holy Spirit the one who wrote the bible. ICC is false they still live under the law of Moses. Jesus said my laws are written upon their minds and heart

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