Dec 10, 2012

Why I Left the City Of Angels International Christian Church

(En español)

The description of my experiences has been divided into three main parts:

Part One, where one of the main leaders in the church bilks me out of thousands of dollars with lies and tricks and then threatens me (temporarily) into silence;

Part Two, where it it revealed that the lies go much farther than had at first been evident; and that going to top leadership (aka, Kip McKean) is useless,

Part Three, where Kip McKean and other leaders in the church threaten to try to destroy my family.

And finally, conclusions that can be drawn from all of this.

Please note that I have since left the City of Angels International Christian Church and its respective "Sold-Out Discipling Movement" and moved far away in an attempt to protect my family and our respective mental, social, spiritual, and physical health.

These things are far from pleasant for me to talk or write about. However I am sharing my story here publicly so that others can be made aware and in the hope that I can prevent at least someone from having to go through similar trauma or abuse.

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28 comments:

  1. I am sorry about your experience with that church. I know I had to break down a lot of fundamentalism that I had either preconceived from myself and my naiveness or the environment I was a part of in Cincinnati.

    I am glad that you are blogging your experience, not in anger; but rather as a support to others in a similar situation.

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  2. Hola, buen día. Después de leer su texto redacté un breve ensayo con mis reflexiones al respecto. Quizá sea de su interés leerlo y, si gusta, ofrecerme sus comentarios acerca de cualquier aspecto de mi ensayo: ¿Pureza moral?

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    1. Gracias Marco, lei tu ensayo y esta muy bueno! Saludos!

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  3. Por favor, sería bueno que postearas la historia completa, con sus tres partes, en español, ya que sería muy beneficioso para los que están tratando de saber mas de este grupo tan nocivo y no hablan inglés. Te puedo asegurar que son muchas y lo va a necesitar.

    Gracias por tu valentía y profundidad al escribirlo.

    Esperamos tu traducción! Gracias!!

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    1. Aqui puedes leer la traduccion de la historia completa:

      http://ministeriolatino.blogspot.com/2013/01/el-porque-yo-sali-de-la-iglesia-de-kip.html

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  4. Would be good to hear the other side of the story before jumping to conclusions.

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    1. Your words ring true. Unfortunately, experience with Kip and the ICC show that they are quite willing to "bend" the truth shamelessly to benefit their own ends. In fact, this has taken place in the case of my story, with baseless attacks on my character on my Facebook page when I posted this blog there. For the record, I did my very, very best to describe events exactly as-is, and did not embellish or change ANYTHING. Sadly, all events are as described.

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  5. Dear Anonymous 1/16/13 - The other side of the story from the ICOC Leaders most likely won't be the truth anyway. If you were a member of the ICOC, you would know that the other side of the story just doesn't matter. Members who eventually leave for being used and abused are NEVER right, and they are labeled as wrong, rebellious, prideful, arrogant, etc.

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  6. I found this blog excellent, great job, helps explain allot of the inner workings of a wicked mind control cult.

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    1. Thank you Helena. We'd love to hear your story as well.

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  7. Well if Your so smart why dont YOU start the One True Church that is going to save humanity from its Sins!

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    1. Shut up half wit

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    2. To Anonymous (April 25): Please, let's keep our comments civil and constructive. Those who are just escaping the ICC, or who may still be under its power, are better helped by love and compassion than by verbal abuse. They have already been abused enough!

      (BTW, if you look at that guy's page, I think you'll find that his comments might be just a little tongue-in-cheek.)

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    3. He's still a half wit

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  8. No True Church will save anyone from anything, much less from sin. That is the work of Jesus Christ alone. Jesus saves. Get it.

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    1. Thanks for posting, Cryptoreformer.

      (Cryptoreformer is a former member and minister in the Church of Christ who considers the traditional CoC to be a cult, the ICOC a super-cult, and the ICC a super, mega-cult.)

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  9. Well shouldn't we speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where the bible is silent by baptizing disciples only after they show forth fruit worthy of repentance in their personal lives, only after they evangelize their apt. complex, after they tithe, then they are ready to receive the free gift of salvation by being baptize....hopefully they have faith but if so they're faith is dead until dunked, I mean baptized, in water. And if baptized before anyone you have to work harder to get right and get sin out of your life since.the sins of the previous person were floating around in the water and is now on the last person baptized. And that being the case in a few years they should be rebaptized as a disciple because the first wasn't valid. Why? Well if the sins of another are in the water and get on you the.it's not valid.

    In fact we must have a perfect understanding prior to baptism and since it's so important may as well be rebaptized just in case.

    For that matter keep the standard high, crank it up more you should convert your mother before being baptized. And if that contradicts what you think about Romans ch. 4 and 5 then you're wrong...get rebaptized. That's scriptural, I know it is since it's a hard message because Jesus yoke is hard and his burden is so heavy you need multiple disciplers to achieve heaven. Well be blessed, here bro give me a close front hug. ---Clark, some spiritual porns. are trying slander and persecute me so be aware.

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    1. Haha thanks for the ironic comments. Yes, what you suggest is pretty much a logical extension of what the church teaches.

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  10. so after reading this and seeing both views one question I ponder on is what is the relationship between kips new group the iioc vs the older churches of christ that we was banned or left from?they both have a very big group in la,what is their view of each other?

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    1. The ICOC does not want to know anything about Kip. The ICC is always trying to get back the disciples from ICOC to join Kip's new church.

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    2. Unfortunately, in the money- and numbers-centric environment fostered by Kip McKean's leadership when building the ICOC and now the ICC, members are assigned value in large part due to how much money they bring into the church coffers (that is, how much they contribute to covering ministry lifestyle expenses.) Sad but true. Both sides want to win the war of pride, numbers, and money.

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    3. To answer the Anonymous post at the head of this mini-section, the ICOC, CoC, and ICC are all separate groups in Los Angeles, with no co-mingling, and each one of the 3 groups will probably try to convince you that the other 2 groups are bad.

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  11. i am not part of kips group,however it seems that he is going by the bible,it is a hard teaching and most people can't handle giving up their life for it,we as a people love being our own God. self centered focused on satisfy the flesh.It's hard to be a noah in a world of non believers,I pray each day to be in God's grace

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    1. Anonymous I want you to know that my heart is hurting right now. I hurt for you and many others. I love God and am not self-centered, I am generous financially. I have had the opportunity of meeting people from your group and they feel I am not saved. But yet they will take my money and beg from others. I have watched some of these people ignore the basic needs of their children in order to give money to the kingdom. I am not talking tithing but sacrificial giving. Not paying car insurance, taxes and etc. God is a God of order not manipulation, and deceit. I pray daily for God to bring Kip to repentance and for your eyes to be open to Jesus and your ears the ability to hear his voice. For you to recognized spiritual abuse and help others to do the same.

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    2. To Anonymous 1: The ICC goes by Kip's selective interpretation of the Bible, which in my opinion, uses such strong and absolutist language that it is a dangerous guide for living, especially when placed in narcissistic, controlling, manipulative hands like Kip's.

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    3. Anonymous 2: Agreed. I remember one time when I was in an ICOC church under Kip's control and a lady literally did not have money to feed her kids warm meals for the week and was still guiltily giving her weekly contribution to the church. The leaders lived in a huge house in a gated, privately policed community, with two full-time live-in servants to help with their two kids, had two nice new cars, and were constantly haranguing the members to sacrifice and give more and more money. By the way, I never saw the church give the slightest help to that poor single mom or her kids who were sacrificing the tiny bit they had to help support the luxurious lifestyle of their ICOC leaders.

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