Mar 24, 2014

Kip McKean's Salary: $200,000+ (And Growing)

This is one of the best-kept secrets in Kip's Kingdom - Kip McKean's salary.

The church does everything it can to conceal this information, and with good reason. Many, if not most, members might be quite a bit more reluctant to sacrifice their own money if they knew just how much of it goes to lifestyle expenses for the McKeans.

Let's look at the year 2010, as I have the information on hand from the financial presentation that was given at the end of November, 2010. (As of this writing, the audio is still available on the official church websites if you search for it.)

At the end of November, (according to the audio) the church had taken in $780,000 for the year. And weekly contribution was $15,000, which multiplies out to a similar annual figure.
"Ryan," who is speaking, mentions that 2/3 of the money was going to pay for "people," which refers to ministry salary, ministry housing, ministry benefits, and ministry reimbursements.

Ryan the elaborates by stating that the church is paying for 5 ministry couples, and 5 interns. Kip comments elsewhere that these interns earn $700/month.

So 2/3 of $15,000 is $10,000 / week for ministry compensation, which comes to $520,000 per year. $161.50 of the $10,000 goes to each of the 5 interns per week, which adds up to $42,000 per year.

Subtracting the $42,000 from the $520,000 leaves us $478,000 to divide up between the five ministry couples on payroll at that time. If that were divided evenly into five, that would be $95,600 annual compensation per couple ($7,966/month). Not a bad paycheck!

However, Kip, who decides pay scale, does not pay all ministers the same. Kip pays leaders with more experience and responsibility more money, usually a lot more money. This is already evident in the split between the $700/month paid to the interns and the $7,966/month average compensation paid to the other ministry couples - a difference of over 10 times!

So if we are conservative, and we say that Kip pays himself and Elena, as the very top leaders in charge of the entire ICC, only 3x what the other City of Angels ministry couples earn, that would work out to about $220,000 per year. This would still leave over $75,000 for salary and benefits for each of the other four ministry couples. ($75k x 4 + $220k = $520k). And even $75,000 is enough money to live very, very comfortably in Los Angeles.

So there you have it. The best, good-faith estimate of what Kip McKean's salary looked like at the end of 2010, based on the limited, publicly available information: $220,000+ in 2010, and growing.

And please remember, every penny of that compensation came from the sacrifices of ICC members such as myself, who were told, and believed, that they are giving their money to God and to further "the movement."

Kip's total income from the church has most certainly grown since 2010, due to growth in ICC membership and income, as well as a huge (half-million dollar) new revenue stream from the International College of Christian Ministry (ICCM), which will be discussed in more detail in a later post. It should also be assumed that Kip also receives payments from MERCY worldwide in addition to these other sources of income.

As a point of comparison, when I was living in LA in 2010 I earned an annual salary of $39,000. Money was very tight, (mainly because I had been coerced into giving a full 25% of my income to the church.) So I had to be very careful. For example, we only had about $15/month in our budget for eating out. So one trip per month to In-N-Out with the family. And in the same month, I would donate over $500 to the church in weekly contribution, plus "Special Contribution," "contribution for the poor," and other church expenses like mandatory conferences.

However, in spite of the limitations, I was still able to use what was left of my money to pay my taxes, fully support my family of 4, and pay down school loans by thousands of dollars. And yes, even pay for an apartment that was good enough to hold Bible Talks and other church events in.

So I find it absurd that City of Angels ministry staff, and Kip McKean in particular, are compensated at such unbiblical levels. Did Jesus pull a big salary? No. The apostles? No.

It's especially maddening since every dollar for Kip's compensation comes out of the contributions and sacrifice of families who, on the whole, earn much, much less than he does. It's the reverse Robin Hood - take from the poor to give to the rich.

My opinion is that if the average member of Kip's church knew how much of every dollar they donate ended up paying for Kip McKean's lifestyle expenses, they would be quite a bit less eager to keep giving. Especially when that involves personal sacrifice, which it almost always does.

Does it make sense for you to skip eating at In-N-Out so you can give $15 more towards the salary of someone who earns 5x what you do, and who will spend the money eating at much fancier restaurants?

Literally, members of the City of Angels ICC, and the International Christian Churches, make deep financial sacrifices so that the leaders of the churches can earn very non-sacrificial salaries.

Well, I for one, will never give another dollar to Kip, or to anything even remotely related to Kip or his self-enrichment scheme.

"[T]hey are conceited and understand nothing ... people of corrupt mind ... who think that godliness is a means to financial gain" - 1 Timothy 6:4-5, NIV

See also: My Visit to Kip McKean's $650,000 Condo

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    1. Kip currently earns a whole lot more than even this post describes - probably more than double the listed figure in 2013. More details to come, and thanks for posting. BTW I believe that Kip is incredibly corrupt, however, a lot of the leadership is (I'm hoping) not fully aware of what they are doing and promoting and how unhealthy, damaging, and downright evil (my opinion) it really is.

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    2. I met with a high profile financial leader way back in the day (2001) and was shown the salary model works and how Kip made $200,000+ and had a R&D fund to spend on "kingdom projects." But let me tell you all...that is nothing compared to the real problems of that "church." Sexual misconduct, child molestation cover ups, financial donation law breaking and much more. The best thing you can do is walk away and take away good things you may have learned in the process. Like how to recognize bullshit when you see it. For what it's worth

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    3. To Anonymous September 3, 2014 at 8:38 AM: Thanks for commenting! And please contact me through the "Contact Me" box on the right so you can tell me more about what you learned!

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    1. In the old days of the ICOC, Kip had wealthy "friends" in the church that he convinced to help pay for things like his children's college educations. One of those individuals who I met vowed to never give Kip anything else. Not sure about current benefactors, although his on-the-books compensation is many times what is necessary to live a very, very comfortable life.

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    2. The sad thing about all of this is while the McKeans and other paid ministry couples are living high off the hog, it's their interns that are doing all of the work (endless hours spent recruiting, baby sitting staff members' kids, cleaning their homes, washing their cars, chauffeuring people around, etc.). I remember Teresa Broom telling a young evangelist that her role as a Women's Ministry Leader is to support her husband and raise her kids. This is why she has "right hand women to delegate things to." Translation: "I collect the paycheck while other people do all the work."

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    3. It's not just interns who are doing all the work but bible talk and ministry leaders who work full time jobs on top of the hours they are pressured to "slave away" for the church. Side note-really appreciate this blog. Looking forward to reading more especially your thoughts on the ICCM.

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    4. It's a great business model really. Get people to volunteer thousands of hours of their own time to you and then also strongarm them into giving you 10%+ of their pre-tax income for the privilege. Multiply at will

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    5. Thanks for reading and thanks for the props! More is coming, including more on the ICCM. It's a scam! But a scam that helps line Kip's pocket - and not a little.

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    6. Elena's been delegating for years. Teresa is just imitating her discipler!

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    7. While I did not have much opportunity to observe the women's ministry myself, I did notice that, contrary to Latin custom, when we had staff meetings at their house, Elena seemed very averse to providing any kind of hospitality - only rarely, and even then, only store-bought, pre-prepared snacks like chips. Struck me as odd

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    8. hes sais smething finny about your wallet gets baptized after you join

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  3. Your Just Jealous! Kip is SO Humble and Doesnt even make any Money from the Church! He has Rich Relatives who support Him!

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    1. I Love Kip McKean, this is kips movement not Gods.

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    2. It's Jesus died on the cross, not Kip McKean. Kip is an unrepented sinner. When will he learn? What a hypocrisy it is!!!!!

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    3. Kip Mcean is a false teacher and his church is nothing but a cult. I lost a lot of money to this church. And never received any papers as to my donations for tax purposes. I think my 10 grand would have been a nice write off. And they also still owe me money. I started a sisters household. When I figured it all out. I kicked them out. And it got real ugly. I was threatened physically lied to and stole from. Had to call the cops. Yeah that sound like a legit church to me.

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    4. Is Kip's policies Biblically based ? I seem to find all "rules" he uses to run his "cult" in the Bible. So in actuality, it is not a cult. He is just a very very good leader. And many "sore losers" are now jealous of him. If his salary still leaves enough for the rest of the churches to survive ... then I think that's okay.

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  4. "Awesome" site ;-) I'm putting up a few video's about this cult www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0w4TBgw1M

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    1. Thanks for making the videos and sharing the link here! I will help promote your work soon.

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  5. On the topic of wealthy friends...it's often been mentioned from the ICC pulpit that the Untalans, Kirchners, and Bordieris are some of the most sacrificial tithers in the church (translation: BIG GIVERS!!!). Coincidentally, these three couples make up the McKean's tight inner circle. Some may find it suspect that Michael Kirchner (ICC's head Finance Administrator and the guy that writes Kip's fat paycheck) is not only the new Chairman of the Board for the ICCM (the church's fake school that charges students THOUSANDS of dollars for its bogus courses) but he's also one of Kip's best friends. Hmmm...how convenient.

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    1. These poor guys don't even realize they are being used. I'm guessing you already read my post about the ICCM, or you got the information elsewhere? Thanks for posting.

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  6. Cults worship your Tithe, it's simple. Luke 16v14. Matthew 6v24. Kip worships your money, if he thinks you'll give him money he will pretend to be your best friend, all cult leaders are the same, they love money and hate God.

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    2. Your So Wrong! How many Times do we have to Go OVer this? KIP IS NOT A CULT LEADER because the ICC IS NOT A CULT! People just SAY that but it just Proves that its God's One True CHurch because only Gods Church gets Persecuted! >:) >:D

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    3. Dear KipMcKean Fan: I sure hope that you're joking, but in case you're not, here's the truth. You're right! Kip is not a cult leader and the ICC is not a cult...it's far worse than that. Persecution is defined as being harassed for your believe or faith, but your organization gets called out on abusiveness, greed, breaking the law, lying on financial records, getting into countries illegally, covering up for child molesters...shall I go on?! Shame on you...shame on you. You should leave...and quickly. Trust me...you'll be glad you did. :)

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    4. Yeah, that Kip McKean Fanclub guy is something else .. Not quite sure how to answer his posts at times ..

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  7. I believe this. But like some previous comments I think you need to get document pictures or recordings or something to make your arguements more valid. Maybe we should send an undercover.

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  8. I have the records from 2011. Kip McKean's weekly tithe at this time was $370 a week. Kip McKean also claimed that he was giving 15% of his income. So this corresponds to Kip making $2467 a week, $9867 a month, and $118,400 a year. Of course this does not include all the four-five star hotels he stays in and fancy restaurants he eats at while traveling around the world since he bills these expenses directly to the church account.

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    1. Of course Kip McKean's 15% claim was not announced until later in that year, so this may actually be a 10% tithe which corresponds to $3700 a week, $14,800 a month, and $177,600 a year. This stat sheet was posted on August 15, 2011.

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    2. And the award for the largest weekly tithe goes to Tony Untalan with a whopping tithe of $520 a week in 2011, seriously, how much money does that guy make?!

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  9. Hello I believe the problem is that were in the fifth seal. The book of revelation states that there are seven seals that shall pass before the coming of jusus. Which seal are we in? Look in to it!!! It makes sense with the lies that the icoc teaches.
    Another issue is infant baptism. I recently bought some books written in the first and second century by the Christians. The teaching was to baptize infants. There were no arguments about baptizing infants in the first church. They did baptize adults but as we know these were new converts. So if the first church did it why did it change???

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    1. If Kip was all about money he could just start one big mega church and keep all the money to himself instead of paying interns and ministers and planting churches all over the world. He could be like the preachers of LA and have millions.God curses the finances of the person that does not pay their tithes. So giving is a blessing and God rewards it. Teaching church members to pay their tithes does not make a church a cult. As a member of the church I have never been forced or hounded about my tithe. I actually wish that tithing was preached on more because I notice that the more I give the more God blesses my finances.

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  11. The bibles says if you take care of Gods house he will take care of yours. So people who have chosen not forced but chosen to support the church with their time will be rewarded. God will bless them. And those who chose to be their own Gods by putting their priorities before Gods church will be rewarded as well. I've been there as a Christian putting my agenda before Gods and he has humbled me every time.

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  12. The bibles says if you take care of Gods house he will take care of yours. So people who have chosen not forced but chosen to support the church with their time will be rewarded. God will bless them. And those who chose to be their own Gods by putting their priorities before Gods church will be rewarded as well. I've been there as a Christian putting my agenda before Gods and he has humbled me every time.

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  13. If Kip was all about money he would just start one big mega church like so money other pasted do. Instead of planting churches all over the work and paying interns and minister's he could keep all the money to himself like those pasters from Pasters of LA the TV show. I was a part of the ICOC and ow am apart of the ICC. I've never been forced to do anything I didn't want to do. And this is the only church that I have been to where the Christians love like God call us to love each other. The church doesn't need my money. I notice however that the more I give the more God blesses my finances. When I don't give God curses my finances and that is biblical. So any church that teaches it members to pay there tithes is teaching the right thing.

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  14. I had joined ICOC when I was a teenager and held on to that belief for many years. GOD has been blessing me. However, I have come to realize that ignorance is not bliss. GOD calls us to give to HIM, to HIS work. If you don't diligently find out if the money is really going to God's house and His work or not, I don't think it is right either.

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  15. I had joined ICOC when I was a teenager and held on to that belief for many years. GOD has been blessing me. However, I have come to realize that ignorance is not bliss. GOD calls us to give to HIM, to HIS work. If you don't diligently find out if the money is really going to God's house and His work or not, I don't think it is right either.

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  17. Tim Kernan recently posted on his FB that they were short of their special missions contribution goal and included a link to the church's donation page (http://www.caicc.net/donations-contributions/). I find it disturbing that their donation site accepts credit card payments, as this is going to encourage already-struggling members to be even more financially irresponsible by going into high-interest-rate debt to support "missions". (At least the old movement was decent enough to discourage giving via credit card).

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  18. Kip is a certified skunk.

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