Mar 6, 2014

The International College of Christian Ministry (ICCM)

Well, it seemed amazing that the International Christian Churches could set up a whole university in a couple of weeks, and even decorate founder Kip McKean with a doctorate degree almost as quickly.

How did they do it? Easy!

IT'S. NOT. ACCREDITED!

That means, any "degrees" it issues are COMPLETELY IMAGINARY and not worth a 5 cents. The ICCM is NOT A REAL SCHOOL.

It did seem a bit suspicious that Kip could earn a Ph.D. without going through the normal years-long process of research, writing a thesis, getting it reviewed by a panel of Ph.D.'s, defending the thesis, etc.

From an email sent out from ICCM in response to an inquiry:

"We have been given an accreditation exemption from the state of California and therefore the degrees we offer are under no accrediting boards, save our own. Any degree/credential given by our seminary would be accepted only within our family of churches. Our Bachelor's degree would not, for example, be transferable or serve as a pre-requisite to another seminary's Master's degree program." (Bolding mine).

I wonder how much they are charging the members for these excellent services?

Interestingly, the above email seems to contradict the message currently on its Facebook page: "At present [the ICCM] confers the degrees of Bachelors, Masters and Doctorates in Ministry."

Omitting the tiny detail that the "degrees" are 100% WORTHLESS everywhere except in their church of 2,000. You have a doctorate degree - because Kip McKean SAYS you have a graduate degree! And in the ICC, that's what matters most.

But they are, like, a totally real, and awesome - AWESOME - school! They even have, like, their own web site! Well, not like a real website, but, you know, like a whole Facebook page and everything! That's, like, totally legit!

16 comments:

  1. I thought I read in one of the ICC's Good News Bulletins that they are charging students 6K to attend the ICCM?!? I guess Kip and his cronies aren't making enough on Special Missions in April and November, jubilees, conferences, Women's Days and countless retreats in between that members are required to attend and pay for out of pocket. I wonder how much kick back the "DYNAMIC" (per Kip's description) ICCM board/staff are getting? Maybe it's time we start asking Michael Kirchner, Andrew Smellie, Chris Adams, Helen Sullivan, Kyle Bartholomew and Tim Kernan what they're being paid.

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    1. Six thousand a year for a fake degree! You can join the Universal Life Church and get a Doctor of Divinity degree for $30.00. I did that once just to see what it was like. It is a piece of paper and absolutely worthless.
      Prior to this, I went to a real ATS accredited seminary (actually 3 of them over a period of 10 years). It was hard. There is nothing easy about REAL graduate level work. Learning Koine Greek is hard. Studying the history of theology is hard. Learning the flow of church history is hard. So Kip has decided to forego the hard work, award himself a Doctorate of Ministry (D.Min.) degree, and sell the other degrees at 6K per year. If you go 4 years to get a BA. That is 24K for a piece of paper which will mean nothing outside the LA Kip Church (or his family of churches).
      Thanks, but real degrees require study and sacrifice by accredited institutions and professors who actually know something.

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    2. Cryptoreformer, by the way, I have not heard of any degree there taking over 12 months. Many degrees have been issued without even taking any classes at all! That includes Kip McKean and others. That is one of the benefits of not being accredited and putting appearances over substance - you can make your own rules and obtain "results" much quicker and more easily.

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  2. Correction to the above...it's 6K a year. Found the info on the ICCM Facebook page. Member (Beach Eastwood) asks how much the ICCM course is and the site administrator responded with 6K per year payable by cash or check and then suggests that Beach get a sponsor to help pay the cost. According to the recent Good News e-mail, there are 80 students currently enrolled. This means Kip and his "Dynamic" ICCM staff are pulling in almost half a MILLION dollars for this bogus school. WOW!!!

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    1. WOW and Double WOW!! Thanks for sharing!!

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  3. The school has been setup for those in leadership roles to teach them to deepen their knowledge in the bible. Anyone outside of that with an interest in learning will have to pay.

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    1. And I also happy to live near Andrew Smellie. Sorry to bring any disappointment to the conspiracy theorists but he's not rolling in the "dough" or living lavishly. We hang out quite a bit and I myself have been curious about financial management in the ICC having read a lot about past issues in the ICOC.

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    2. Thanks for commenting. For the record, do you know exactly how much Andrew Smellie makes? (I am guessing that you do not, as "the church" has always worked to keep that information as hidden as possible.)

      Sometimes we can learn a bit from history. For example, Steve Johnson used to drive around an old car, and it certainly didn't give the impression that he was making big money. However, at the time he was pulling in something like $300,000 per year in compensation from the church.

      For the moment, the relatively low membership of the ICC means that there is less money to pay the evangelists. Whatever Andrew's current salary, it will continue to grow as the church grows in number. So go out there and share your faith! And don't forget to give your contribution! ;P

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  4. "The words of his mouth are trouble and deceit; he has ceased to act wisely and do good." Psalm 36:3

    The ICCM is Kip's attempt to bring credibility to his church leaders. Many of whom lack any type of formal education. Some barely finished high school. By creating the non-accredited ICCM, Kip gives the impression that his leaders are college educated. Of further concern, in an article written by Kip about the ICCM, many of his evangelists/women ministry leaders had to pay a "small fee" of $300.00 to receive a BA from the ICCM without having to actually complete any courses (http://www.caicc.net/2013/02/04/the-international-college-of-christian-ministry/) while non-ministry leaders are required to pay 6K?!?

    For those concerned parents whose children have dropped out of an actual accredited university to enroll in the ICCM, please contact the following leaders who boast they have a degree from the ICCM:

    Jared and Rachel McGee-Evangelist and Women's Ministry Leader of Mexico ICC
    Joan Bartholomew-Women's Ministry and World Sector Leader City of Angels ICC
    Kelly Bartholomew-Women's Ministry Leader Mission Bay ICC
    Coltin and Mandee Rohn-Evangelist and Women's Ministry Leader Boston ICC
    Tracey Harding-Women's Ministry Leader DCICC
    Jason Dimitry-Evangelist San Francisco ICC
    Victor and Sonia Gonzales-Evangelist/Women's Ministry Leader Las Vegas ICC
    Chenelle Patterson-Women's Ministry Leader Gainesville ICC
    Lucy Mejia-Women's Ministry Leader Chile ICC

    Interesting tid-bit: As children, all three of Kip's kids went to private school and then onto graduate from Ivy League schools. Do you think Kip would have encouraged his children to drop out of Harvard and Stanford to attend the ICCM?

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    1. Thanks for commenting. It's also interesting to me to see ICC members vehemently assert that the ICCM is fully accredited, and claim that to say otherwise is persecution or slander or something of the like. It seems pretty clear that the image that is presented by leadership is that the ICCM is a real, accredited school, which it is not.

      And agreed, your point about Kip's hypocrisy is well taken.

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  5. peter paul and luke and crew in paradise must be like what in the planet. How can anyone dare to claim to the truth and have the gall to become president. would jesus ever want a title or credit? no way man! Humble its the peoples truth and they should be able to question false teachings in the school. lets say topic of divorce and remarriage

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    1. All that energy, spent studying fake topics, just to earn a fake degree. And even worse for the people who actually pay good money for the privilege.

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  6. So a degree from the cult of Kip is about as useful as taking a course in Scientology a waste of money

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    1. Correct, courses in the ICCM are completely and totally useless. You pay for cult indoctrination, only to receive a fake "degree" that is recognized nowhere by no-one.

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  7. can the other churches of christ attend this or only people from his chriatian sect?

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