Jun 24, 2015

MORE Ways You Know You're Part of Kip McKean's ICC / SODM

Thank you to my many helpers for this post! Here are some more ways you can tell that you are part of the so-called SODM / Sold-Out Discipling Movement, aka the ICC / International Christian Church, or whatever Kip McKean is calling his group of not-yet-former followers for the moment. (Check out the original list here.)

10. ...You're lame enough to claim that you attended Kip's fantasy college, the International College of Christian Ministry (ICCM), before he even started it! Kip created the ICCM in 2012 yet many evangelists/women's ministry leaders like Chenelle Patterson, Jared McGee and Ron Harding assert they attended the "school" several years prior to its actual inception. According to their Facebook pages, Chenelle claims she attended from 2009-2013, Jared 2007-2013 and Ron 2006-2013. Why the spin? Perhaps to give unsuspecting individuals the "impression" that they graduated from a legitimate four year university which the ICCM is NOT!
9. ...You're OK with "spinning the truth" or what the rest of the world considers LYING. Coltin Rohn, the Boston ICC leader, claims he has a Marriage and Family Counseling degree from the ICCM. Really??? According to the City of Angels website the only undergrad degree the ICCM offers is a degree in ministry. Not to mention that many evangelists/women's ministry leaders were awarded degrees without having to take a single course. They just had to shell out $300 for the cost of the cape, gown and certificate and more than likely were reimbursed by their respective churches for the cost. CAN YOU SAY DIPLOMA MILL???

(10 & 9 are just a few examples (AMONG MANY) of the culture of deceit that is so prevalent in the ICC and among its leadership.")

8. Being able to wear swimsuits is determined by your leader. For instance, the women's ministry leader of the LA AMS ministry, Sonja Chloupek, wears bathing suits albeit when she is away from the church vacationing with family. Whereas the WML in the OC Region, Kelly Bartholomew, feels it's highly inappropriate for ICC members to wear swimsuits in public, under any circumstance, and doesn't permit her disciples to do so. This also applies to "brothers" going shirtless. A big NO, NO for some leaders. Yet, a dude who owns a gym and is a up and coming leader in the LA AMS ministry often works out with no shirt and leaders don't seem to have a problem with it. Maybe because the leaders consider his guy a "valuable member" and don't want to piss him off so he doesn't walk.

7. You can't tell the "sisters" from the porn stars at an Arts, Media, Sin (cough) Sports ministry event

6. Terms like "Gibeonite Deception" and "Plundering the Egyptians" are used by ICC leaders/members to justify exagerrating the truth (ie. lying) in favor of the church and/or soliciting donations from non-members for special missions drives

5. It's announced that the 20 year old kid that was baptized last Sunday, put on staff by Wednesday and appointed an evangelist on Friday is your new church leader

4. You read Henry Kriete's letter for the first time and think, "WTF!!! Kip has done this before?!?"

3. You're a struggling single mom and your discipler tells you to get clothes at Goodwill and groceries from the food bank to pay to send others to conferences in European.

2. A personal problem you shared with your discipler turns up in the LE's sermon 2 weeks later

1. When your utilties get shut off, you're told that if you would have given more money consistently God would have honored that by giving you more than enough to pay your bills.

0. When a married brother hits on you by "confessing" that he finds you more attractive than his wife. In fact, he says he's never been attracted to her because she's quite ugly, but he wanted a spouse in order to have sex and she was matched up with him because they were both "spiritual."

-1. When you rebuff Married Brother's advances, he goes to your discipler and lies, saying that you told him an inappropriate joke--and your discipler believes him.

-2. You attend an all congregational church service to find that most of the older, wiser and spiritually mature disciples have either left or been disfellowshipped for questioning and exposing the unbiblical practices/behavior imposed by ICC leadership; leaving only "baby Christians" in their teens and early 20(s) who are often the most vulnerable and susceptible to spiritual abuse.

-3. Your evangelist tells you that as a "leader in God's modern day movement (the ICC)" you are personally responsible for the souls/salvation of those in your bible talk and part of ensuring their salvation is making sure the members are tithing each week and meeting their special missions goal. (Kip's gotta get paid! - Ed.)

-4. A young husband and father who has been out of work for months is told he has to quit his new job if he wants to get baptized (ie. saved) because the job requires that every employee work one weekend a month. God forbid this young man misses one Sunday in order to put bread on the table and a roof over his family's head. Yet the Olympic athlete, entertainment host and news broadcaster (just to name a few) are able to miss "meetings of the body" due to their type of work.

-5. The evangelist's wife gets up to speak and all you can think about is the boob job she got as a disciple.

-6. "Church" leaders have new recruits stand on street corners tagging (begging for money) to give to "MERCY" (helping the poor), then misappropriate that money to pay for things not related to MERCY or helping the poor at all. Then make fun of anyone who might dare to criticize them for doing so.

-7. You are instantly labeled as "BITTER" if you ever dare to point out anything that your "church" or your leaders are doing wrong, no matter how blatant, obvious, or egregious their error. YOU are wrong and have a bad heart for daring - DARING - to question them.

-8. your dad is told he has to move the family every couple of years for the sake of "spreading the gospel" only to learn that Kip NEVER ONCE uprooted his own family for the gospel's sake. All three of his kids got to grow-up and establish roots in one of LA's most affluent communities, Pacific Palisades, and attend the same expensive private school most of their lives. #sucksbeingakingdomkid

-9. the evangelist shares that the church had one of the most "HISTORIC Bring Your Neighbor Days EVER with more visitors than there are members..." Except he fails to mention that most of these "visitors" were made up of infants and toddlers in children's ministry. #sucksbeingakingdomkid

-10. many of the most notoriously abusive ICOC staff leaders who are washed up, jobless with no marketable career skills, in broken marriages with kids who want nothing to do with God OR church flock to the ICC with the hopes of going back in the full time ministry and are actually rehired by Kip to start the cycle of spiritual abuse all over again. #sucksbeingakingdomkid

-11. AAAALLLLL of the ICC sermons, regardless of who and where it's preached (whether by Joe Willis in Australia, Mike Williamson in London, Raja Rajan in India, Anthony Eckels in Texas,etc.) basically have the three same points:

1. Multiply or Die-ICC's obsession with numbers
2. Show Me the Money, Honey-ICC's obsession with $$
3. Submit or Your Leader's Gonna Have A Fit-ICC's obsession with control

-12. Evangelist, Blaise Feumba, is pictured with an awkward look on his face kneeling next to a member of the Haiti ICC who is laying on a cement floor in obvious pain dying of cancer (May 3rd Good News E-Mail) and all you can think is maybe M.E.R.C.Y. should have used some of the funds collected during the numerous U.S. church "tagging" drives to buy this poor lady a bed instead of trying to get as many people paid and registered for a leadership conference held at a Hilton Resort in SoCal. (Misuse of funds is one of the basic underlying principles - or is it lack of principles? - underpinning the foundation of the ICC. - Ed.)

-13. "High Profile" ICOC leaders who have stopped attending church regularly, cheated on their spouses, been divorced multiple times, known to "struggle" w/ porn, pain pills and pot, have children barely out of their teens posting booty pics of themselves on social media, etc. are able to "place membership" in the ICC instead of being "restored". Yet, the rank and file disciple who never misses a church event, serves tirelessly in children's ministry, shuffles people back in forth from bible talk/studies and is relied upon to cover the rent for five roommates who happen to be unpaid interns of the church is brought before the congregation because the church leader "feels" that this member is lukewarm for missing their tithe for the past 3 weeks and not regularly having visitors to church.

-14. Your group doesn't have visitors for church or BT, so your BT leader pulls the group together to rebuke everyone in the group......yet he himself didn't have visitors either! When confronted on this by a member, he says, "I know; this rebuke is intended for *all* of us, myself included" (even though he is the one who is berating/accusing the rest of us while we sit there like obedient sheep).

-15. You know you're a part of Kip McKean's sold out movement when the organization is SOOO sold out that it has more than a 50% "fall away" rate, "secret sin" is rampant in the different congregations that it's even mentioned in the Good Snooze E-mail, and many of Kip's churches have not experienced net growth for several years.

-16. "ICC is losing members" = "God is pruning us; that proves we are truly his movement." "ICC is growing" = "God is adding to our number; that proves we are truly his movement."

-17. You serve an almighty and all-powerful "god" who can do anything.....except for, maybe, coming up with a few dollars for "missions" without his leaders begging everyone for money on their Facebook pages.

-18. When your husband, an ICC member, tells you that he unequivocally believes that Kip's church (because it's apparently the "one true church") takes priority over your marriage and family. Members are indoctrinated to put the church FIRST before any relationship or commitment including those with a spouse and children. Here's a glimpse of what this looks like:

-19. If you cannot plan or attend any special occasions (ie. birthday celebrations, anniversary dinners, holiday parties, etc.) that fall on a Wednesday or Friday night because the church has mandatory devotional and bible talk scheduled these nights.

-20. Couples and/or families cannot get away for the weekend because missing church on Sunday is a big No, No.

-21. Family vacations have to be planned around all church events (eg. GLC, Jubiliees, Winter Workshops, Campus Retreats, Women's Days, Marriage Retreats, etc.) so this basically leaves you Monday and Tuesday unless of course your husband's D-Time is scheduled on one of these days/nights then you and your kids are out of luck.

-22. AND SO ON AND SO ON ....

27 comments:

  1. "Dear friend, you are faithful in what you are doing for the brothers and sisters, even though they are strangers to you. They have told the church about your love. Please send them on their way in a manner that honors God. It was for the sake of the Name that they went out, *receiving* *no* *help* *from* *the* *pagans*. We ought therefore to show hospitality to such people so that we may work together for the truth." (3 John 5-8, NIV, emphasis added).

    I think the subject of "tagging" deserves its own article, given that the practice is so insidious, abusive, and widespread.

    First of all, the practice is deceptive: those who are "contributing" are misled about just what it is that they are contributing to; they are led to believe that they're giving to a benign church group which is then going to use the money for benevolent and charitable purposes. Taggers hold up vaguely-worded signs hinting that the money is going towards "missions" and "benevolence" - when in reality not a dime will go into the hands of those who truly need it. Funds collected through tagging (or any other fund-raising method in the ICC) go primarily to the administrative costs (read: salaries, travel, etc.) of the "mission". Can you imagine how effective a "tagger" would be if his/her sign read: "Help me pay my preacher's mortgage/association payments on his West LA condo and his frequent flights abroad"?

    Secondly, it is exploitative towards the "tagger" himself/herself. Bypassers see the tagger and probably think, "How nice that this person has volunteered to do a good service for his/her organization." What bypassers *don't* see, however, is the fact that the tagger probably doesn't really even want to be out on the street; they are likely there because they are desperate and their leader told them that they need to do "whatever it takes" to come up with the contribution money.

    Thirdly, it is hypocritical of the ICC. As someone who was in Kip's original "movement" for nearly 20 years, I think you might be surprised that this sort of fundraising would have been *frowned* *upon* in the early days of the movement. Back then, leaders were proud of the fact that all the funds came from the membership (rather than "the world"), and it was common to hear them say things like: "SEE, WE'RE NOT A CULT LIKE THE MOONIES; WE DON'T HAVE OUR PEOPLE SELLING FLOWERS AND BEGGING IN THE STREETS FOR MONEY". This was - and still is - a big boasting point for ICC/ICOC. But how is coerced "tagging" any different from what the Moonies/etc. do?

    Finally - and most interestingly - there is absolutely no Biblical support for this practice! None at all! Nowhere in the apostle Paul's fundraising pleas does he even *suggest* that the church should look to the world for support! In fact, the author of 3 John makes this very interesting incidental comment (regarding support for the church's missionaries): they "receiv[ed] NO HELP FROM THE PAGANS" (v.7). Although I am no longer a Bible-believer or Christian, I find it ironic that a group that prides itself on going only by the Bible can overlook such clear principles as these.

    In closing - let me comment on the utter irony of the situation. Missionary collections are supposed to be collected from the churches and given to the missionaries who do the actual work. In the ICC, it is the R&F members (as opposed to the staff) who do all the evangelistic/missionary work. So, if anything, the *church leaders* should be paying *them* (the R&F) for their service rather than the other way around.

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  2. I just have to say, this group started coming to my community college in January to do bible studies. I went to one Bible study, and I think since it was the first one, they taught from scripture and didn't hit me over the head (figuratively) with baptism, joining their church, etc. However, my friend went to their Bible studies and she was going to get baptized at their church, and I think the reason was also they were pressuring her to get baptized at their church instead of her current church. My friend's mom looked up the the church and found out they were a cult. I looked them up to see, since I know there are some churches (such as Bethel) where people think they are a cult but are not. But sure enough, when I looked them up, they definitely were: A cult, like many others (such as scientology) who only want your money. I told my friend and sent her the documents and she did not go to their bible studies anymore.

    I have done a lot of research and keep up with your updates on this blog and this cult is scary. What's even more scary to me is unlike other cults, they teach from the Bible and they know it so well. From what people told me, they text you a lot to ask if you are going to do a Bible study or go to their church today. I have even heard that this group wants to become a club on my campus and that they are at a Christian university next to my school "discipling" to people. I pray people will become aware of this cult and have discernment ,whether it's a gut feeling or the Holy Spirit that something is off with this group. I am so grateful that I only went to one study and not any others. As soon as I found out this church was a cult, I avoided them and didn't attend anymore bible studies. God was sure protecting me. I didn't even have the courage to go to more just to be a witness because of how controlling and manipulative they can be. I have been more careful on visiting churches now since you never know. One of my other friends, after I told him they were a cult, was brave enough to go to their Bible Studies and understand how they teach. He said they definitely put a lot of pressure on you with getting baptized and joining their church. It's so scary how fast this cult is spreading.

    I can go on with things I do not like that is terrible about them. From wanting your money, being saved by baptism and not by faith, having to ask permission to miss meetings, being told and consulting for EVERYTHING, and they do not reach out and help the members like Jesus would want them to. So terrible and disgusting!

    Thank you for this blog. It helped with looking into them. Even though we don't like it, God can use us through hard times, or things we are a part of to help others, and make others aware. I pray God will use you to make more people aware so it'll discourage them from joining and to even help others who are getting out of it or want to get out of it. Blessings

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    1. -ICC leaders make outlandish claims like Mike Patterson who asserts on his website bio that he has "spoken all around the world..." Mike has been to maaaaybeeee two countries (Chile and England). If these are the only two countries his "world" consists of then he is correct.

      -Kip McKean gives himself a "doctorate" from a school that he conveniently started and then turns around and gives his wife one, too. It's not WHAT you know but who your husband is...in the ICC.

      -Mike Patterson's wife posts a picture of herself next to one of Jordan Sparks believing they look alike. Uhhhhhh...no.

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    2. mike patterson and dr mckean are closet queens (homosexuals).

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    3. yeah mike patterson looks gay.. and kip mckean and chuck lucas were both rumored to be gay lovers...

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  3. -Kip hands out degrees as often as he "appoints" evangelists and women's ministry leaders.

    What do ICC evangelists and ICCM degrees have in common? Their worthless!

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  4. You ask an ICC member what he/she thinks about something and they all begin their answer with, "Well Kip says, thinks, feels, believes..." And you have to interject and re-ask the question, again, s.l.o.w.l.y, "I want to know what YOU think?"

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  5. When LAICC AMS ministry's right hand man, JB, posts on his FB page-"Leaders who don't listen, will eventually be surrounded by people who have nothing to say." Ironically JB is part of a religious group led by a leader just like that.

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  6. Wow...sad to see an article with so much hate, and disregard for God and the truth all wrapped up in one...zero mention of "what to do", zero mention of a "better example or way", using curse words and mocking/slandering...how can anyone take this article seriously?... praying for you man... please come to your right mind...

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  7. So Mr UNKNOWN can you explain Theresa Broom arrest for getting arrested ?

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    1. Why was she arrested? Is that why her and her husband were taken out of leading the NYC cult...I mean church ?

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    2. So, do you know what happened to her? Why she was arrested? And I read today that she was disfellowshipped!!!

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  8. Hi does any one want to meet up & have a support group for those who were a part of this church to deal with some trauma so we can move on & forgive. Thx

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    1. I live in L.A.

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    2. support or bashing?
      if it's not done the right way, then we're no better than them.

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  9. http://livinginthebookofacts.blogspot.com/
    Letter from Evangelist Slamming Kips Schemes from the inside

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  10. Letter from Evangelist Slamming Kips Schemes from the inside

    https://drive.google.com/a/cvipex.com/file/d/0B2e5slY-B8ZiZENxX1pqUzRNOE0/view

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  11. Who wrote this thing? Please take my name off this website. I am open to discuss any reservations you have with myself. But in regards to everyone else I believe you should speak with them, not slander people publicly online. Also there are very offensive comments on here about other individuals, can you please delete them. Thank you.

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    1. Maybe you should get out of the cult!!!!

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    2. Coltin, I'm sorry your name is being used on this page. The author of this page is not what you would refer to as a normal fall-away but a very bitter atheist. Scriptural or worldly reasoning is irrelevant to him because he is bent on spreading hate. The bottom line remains, "Every knee shall bow" He may be filled with hate, but nothing can stop the people of God. Not the faithful in the CCC, DOC, ICOC, ICC, OR whatever-cc.

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  12. Finally,we can get rid of financial crisis of our church and can run it properly in a better condition.All credits go to Griffin' Church Loans because of its creative financial plans and help with church loans. church financing

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  13. I have it on good record that the fiscal status of the church is fine. Next....

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