tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post8689628433955426390..comments2024-03-28T00:40:09.996-07:00Comments on <center>City Of Angels International Christian Church (ICC) Blog</center>: Lying, Stealing, and Threats, Part IIUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-29215893014985667542014-03-11T13:46:06.931-07:002014-03-11T13:46:06.931-07:00Jeremie, thank you so much for your words!Jeremie, thank you so much for your words!ed.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09882785561994571540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-57834062788459303352014-03-11T13:43:54.686-07:002014-03-11T13:43:54.686-07:00Looking back, believe me, I ask myself the same qu...Looking back, believe me, I ask myself the same question. I did want to give him the benefit of the doubt, until I could prove that my suspicions were correct. There are a number of psychological factors at play when people fall victim to the influence of charismatic leaders. Let it be noted that I eventually learned my lesson and stopped believing anything he said, and of course, asking for his opinion of anything.ed.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09882785561994571540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-77411969711979152112013-01-10T15:37:10.855-08:002013-01-10T15:37:10.855-08:00Hello my friend.
I joined Kip's original fran...Hello my friend.<br /><br />I joined Kip's original franchise back in 1994. I can assure you that the abuse, narcissism, and expert use of Satan's native language were well executed even back then. What you have described could have been written in 1987, 1992, 1994, or last week.<br /><br />While it might seem hard to believe, please know that one day, all of this stomach ache and frustration will be out of your heart and soul. It will be a memory and little more. You will be like most of us who occasionally remember the crazy self-important mental illness of that 'movement,' but little more...<br /><br />You are older a lot longer than you are younger. So do not let your sense of value, importance, or purpose be diminished because Kip's re-reminant. There are amazing experiences, truths, and faith building things still awaiting you.<br /><br />God is not diminished by the failings of sinful men, and your spiritual value is not lessened because that neurotic fanclub wont let you be a member. I can PROMISE you (by the testimony of hundreds of thousands of ex-members) that Kip and his leaders have NO special knowledge or standing with God. You are not missing out on anything your soul or life needs. I can claim to have the ability to time travel and turn into the Hulk, but that doesn't make it true.<br /><br />During my time in the Phoenix ICOC, I saw outright lies and deceit by all of the famous 'leaders' as well as vicious character assignations and evidence of financial dealings that were legal yet without integrity. They can split hairs about how Kip's two new franchises are BETTER than the ICOC. However, the roots of their work are gangreen with deceit, obstruction, and self-preservation.<br /><br />You own them nothing. They are men. They took upon themselves the mantle of 'special' and have thrown MANY thousands of people into the fiery furnace in order to protect their strange ideas of self-importance.<br /><br />But again, I urge you.... DO NOT let this poison you. God is the only authority, and I do not recall Him (either by beams of light or twisted unbiblical interpretation) ever calling Kip or his 'mighty men and Timothy's.<br /><br />The lesson you have been able to take into yourself about your own boundaries will be worth more than gold to your from now on.<br /><br />Grace and Peace to you.<br /><br />Jeremie Ledermanjeremie ledermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04119959697014393173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-14383765636420957662012-12-05T13:55:57.669-08:002012-12-05T13:55:57.669-08:00I'm so sorry this happened to you and your fam... I'm so sorry this happened to you and your family, but hopefully you were able to learn a lot about yourself and about people in this church. I too was a member with my husband (though in another city) and we both decided to leave due to the way we were being treated. Your story reminded me of how much leaders are idolized and have the image that they can do no wrong. I hope your story goes on to help many others to find their voices to speak out. In the church we're taught to be loving and to assume the best of people, but unfortunately it can lead to being manipulated especially by leaders. Just know and rest assured that God is in charge and He has seen all that has happened. Trust that He will show you all that you need to learn from this and will give you the strength to move on and forgive (yourself, VGSr, & the others). And never forget that God is the Avenger. He will take care of VGSr and Kip & whomever else when the time comes. At least you had the courage to alert the leaders about what's going in their church, and now God will handle the rest. Please continue in your faith and not let these people discourage your relationship with God. Best wishes to you and your family. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-2052677434973271772012-12-03T13:21:35.223-08:002012-12-03T13:21:35.223-08:00I believe your story, but there seems to be a void...I believe your story, but there seems to be a void. Why did you ask a guy you suspected of being a liar and who deceived you for advice?<br /><br />Your story reads true, I saw Kip do this same thing in LA. It was never a leader's fault - the member was always wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com