tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post1804593104054805237..comments2024-03-28T00:40:09.996-07:00Comments on <center>City Of Angels International Christian Church (ICC) Blog</center>: You Know You're A Member of Kip McKean's Sold Out Movement WhenUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-84913102924152654952018-11-14T13:58:12.388-08:002018-11-14T13:58:12.388-08:00Jesus paintings and Jesus statues can be found amo...Jesus paintings and Jesus statues can be found among all sects of modern Christianity. Even with the many changes that have developed throughout the history of Christian religious art, it still continues to be important in the lives of the followers of Christ, as it inspires, beautifies, and uplifts the spirit.<a href="https://www.openheavenfortoday.com/open-heaven-2019/" rel="nofollow">Open Heaven 2019</a><br />Lewis Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722103005368819792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-23783576422853725092016-08-27T01:16:04.105-07:002016-08-27T01:16:04.105-07:00Sounds to me like god placed them over you to teac...Sounds to me like god placed them over you to teach you humility which you lacked wholeheartedly. Good job exposing their sin god. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-68720852251282140792016-08-25T12:05:25.738-07:002016-08-25T12:05:25.738-07:00I'm not a member of the ICC or considering to ...I'm not a member of the ICC or considering to be one. You guys are incredibly bitter and in sin. You may have been hurt but this open internet slander is terrible. Get a room.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-90692937482367490822016-08-18T21:08:15.275-07:002016-08-18T21:08:15.275-07:00^ Although they may have their flaws, their doctri...^ Although they may have their flaws, their doctrine regarding salvation is spot on. You are very likely unsaved and deceived by your former church to believe you are fine. I encourage you to contact them back. If you read things on the internet, you only get half truths via the opinion of those who couldn't follow the lifestyle of the first century disciples. If you really still feel nervous, check out the more passive and IMO lukewarm Icoc......similar doctrine (less convictions) but with an open heart you CAN be shown proper salvation doctrine. Lastly, you could just watch their videos.....regardless, they aren't a "cult" by any means of the American definition, just an organization of individuals who strictly follow the Bible. There are two sides to every story. I for one see no issue with what they are doing. Their leader Kip is a radically different man. I saw this over time with my own eyes. ****** Acts 5:38 So in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone. Let them go! For if their purpose or endeavor is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God.” <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-84831419779428462592016-05-03T04:44:17.131-07:002016-05-03T04:44:17.131-07:00I'm not an ICC member but I saw a group of fem...I'm not an ICC member but I saw a group of females on my university composed of three females and introduced themselves as a "All Womens Bible Study Group". One was an evangelist and two members who studied here in my university. <br /><br />They preached me about the bible itself and I was amazed at first because they introduced the purpose of the bible. <br /><br />Fast-forward to this.<br /><br />Thursday last week, when this female evangelist preached about the discipleship = Christian teaching and I was like. Wow! Then, I met some members of this church and most of them were friendly to me.<br /><br />However, when I saw one of the members of the ICC reviewing the reviewer. I peeked through his paper and I saw "ICCM". At first I don't know what it means but when I say "bye-bye" to these group. I quickly research about that acronym and I was surprised that ICC was an another church organization. I read about it and most of I read says that this church was a "cult", and "authoritarian".<br /><br />Thank God for being so alert and critical-minded person. I'll never have an interaction with them for now on. Also, thanks to this blog too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-8567701328618287682015-10-12T21:38:08.886-07:002015-10-12T21:38:08.886-07:00Are you serious? If you gave special missions that...Are you serious? If you gave special missions that means you gave about $20 bucks a week. And you are complaining. Hilarious. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-70250419180459640482015-08-02T15:24:30.807-07:002015-08-02T15:24:30.807-07:00That sounds like a sermon from Matt Sullivan. He ...That sounds like a sermon from Matt Sullivan. He tells me that he and his WML wife are bringing God to the Southeast USA, has anyone else had any exposure to them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-56264778500565550412015-07-14T22:27:41.001-07:002015-07-14T22:27:41.001-07:00Your ministry leader takes personal credit for the...Your ministry leader takes personal credit for the number of marriages that occur in what he calls his "Region of Love", despite the fact that most of the singles spend their Saturday evenings at home. His refrigerator holds a photographic shrine to all of the weddings he has performed. Your picture was once among the collection but, along with several others, had to be taken down when the marriage ended in divorce.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-91968090153755309982015-07-14T21:58:51.706-07:002015-07-14T21:58:51.706-07:00Your chronic migraine headaches are treated as a s...Your chronic migraine headaches are treated as a spiritual weakness and you are constantly admonished to "push through", "get tougher" and other such B.S. An intern even tells you that "sickness is sin" but cannot show you where the Bible says that.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-37859700487709394232015-07-09T17:00:00.856-07:002015-07-09T17:00:00.856-07:00You and your husband, who have been married 10 yea...You and your husband, who have been married 10 years and who have been disciples for 15, are told that you will henceforth be discipled by another couple who have been married 2 years. In addition, the wife has been a disciple for six months; the husband for one year. To top it all off, they are 10 years younger than you and have no children, though you have two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-71613944984183931462015-06-24T21:44:33.291-07:002015-06-24T21:44:33.291-07:00I am so sorry .. That really sucks! Maybe you can ...I am so sorry .. That really sucks! Maybe you can take heart in the fact that he probably won't last too long (I never saw husbands last long in Kip's ministries if the wife was not into it.)ed.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09882785561994571540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-77112883859813603382015-06-21T16:01:31.295-07:002015-06-21T16:01:31.295-07:00When your husband, an ICC member, tells you that h...When your husband, an ICC member, tells you that he unequivocally believes that Kip's church (because it's apparently the "one true church") takes priority over your marriage and family. Members are indoctrinated to put the church FIRST before any relationship or commitment including those with a spouse and children. Here's a glimpse of what this looks like:<br /><br />Members cannot plan or attend special occasions (ie. birthday celebrations, anniversary dinners, holiday parties, etc.) that fall on a Wednesday or Friday night because the church has mandatory devotional and bible talk scheduled these nights. <br /><br />Couples and/or families cannot get away for the weekend because missing church on Sunday is a big No, No. <br /><br />Family vacations have to be planned around all church events (eg. GLC, Jubiliees, Winter Workshops, Campus Retreats, Women's Days, Marriage Retreats, etc.) so this basically leaves you Monday and Tuesday unless of course your husband's D-Time is scheduled on one of these days/nights then you and your kids are out of luck. <br /><br />One can just imagine the negative impact this has on the marriage bond and family unit as a whole. It's no wonder that several of the ICC church leaders are on their second and in some cases their third marriage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-40388465055792936752015-06-08T10:57:14.649-07:002015-06-08T10:57:14.649-07:00--You serve an almighty and all-powerful "god...--You serve an almighty and all-powerful "god" who can do anything.....except for, maybe, coming up with a few dollars for "missions" without his leaders begging everyone for money on their Facebook pages:<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/mike.patterson.9028/posts/535749866717?fref=nf<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/chenelle.patterson?fref=tsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-84848352333915118502015-06-08T03:26:33.860-07:002015-06-08T03:26:33.860-07:00I know the pageant who was supported for awhile th...I know the pageant who was supported for awhile than told to leave.Once she disagreed with it,she left.They ended up markingher.<br />Once I left the church, I was marked.i told them if I am not in the church, I'm not under there rules. Craziness!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-32597693124068282062015-06-07T12:29:56.354-07:002015-06-07T12:29:56.354-07:00Chenelle Patterson one of the authors of the quote...Chenelle Patterson one of the authors of the quotes referenced in Anonymous June 6th 1:04pm post has recently commented on this via FB, "Heard this Facebook status is currently the topic of conversation on a persecution website...I'm a little flattered that I got church haters patrolling my page..."<br /><br />Does this girl not realize that she has over 2,00 FB "friends" and that when she posts something it shows up on people's news feed? Girrrrl, please stop flattering yourself. NO ONE is "patrolling your page." You are a n.o.b.o.d.y. wanting to be a s.o.m.e.b.o.d.y and the only somebody you can be is in Kip's group. Do us all a favor including yourself. Go back to school and get a real job because in 5 years when the church is nada mas and you're left with no marketable skills and/or experience you're going to wish you had finished school. <br /><br />Don't waste your life away for Kip and his agenda. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-89174001981655889002015-06-06T22:15:36.587-07:002015-06-06T22:15:36.587-07:00"ICC is losing members" = "God is p..."ICC is losing members" = "God is pruning us; that proves we are truly his movement"<br /><br />"ICC is growing" = "God is adding to our number; that proves we are truly his movement"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-52086823316479268092015-06-06T19:09:37.350-07:002015-06-06T19:09:37.350-07:00A clarification to the above post...I know that in...A clarification to the above post...I know that in some circles the word "tapped" can be interpreted as a derogatory offense regardless of the context it is written in. To avoid any such confusion, I would like to expound on my above post by specifically stating that use of "tapped" in this context is synonymous with terms such as appointed, promoted, raised-up, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-62685177289165110312015-06-06T14:02:26.168-07:002015-06-06T14:02:26.168-07:00This one is more in-depth on what students are act...This one is more in-depth on what students are actually learning in the ICCM:<br /><br />-When did Kip go full time in the ministry?<br />-When did Kip start the movement?<br />-Who are the ICC "movement" leaders?<br />-Number of Mission Teams sent out?<br />-How many baptisms, restorations, place memberships did the ICC have in 1st 138 days?<br /><br /><br />CRAZY STUFF, MAN! Looks like ICCM students are getting their Bachelor of Arts degree in the life and times of Kip McKean. <br /><br />https://www.studyblue.com/notes/california/the-international-college-of-christian-ministry/74132Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-85574183816018780422015-06-06T13:38:13.953-07:002015-06-06T13:38:13.953-07:00Hey ed. Take a look at the below website. It'...Hey ed. Take a look at the below website. It's study guides, flash cards and lecture notes from the ICCM. <br /><br />https://www.studyblue.com/notes/the-international-college-of-christian-ministry/mckean-professor/1596614/0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-47569807042703970672015-06-06T13:20:42.917-07:002015-06-06T13:20:42.917-07:00Didn't Kip send Princeton and his wife with a ...Didn't Kip send Princeton and his wife with a band of other ICC disciples to Miami on a mission team? And within little less than 2-3 months they were sent back to LA because the "remnant" couple(s) who Kip was counting on to financially support the Georges were like, "Umm-we don't think so..." <br /><br />So with little to no ministry and/or missionary experience other than shadowing the AMS leaders, Kip is going to make 24 yr old Princeton an evangelist?!? WOW!!! Kip must be seriously hurtin' for people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-90066318028906957952015-06-06T13:04:38.566-07:002015-06-06T13:04:38.566-07:00people are leaving the ICC churches in droves and ...people are leaving the ICC churches in droves and instead of taking a really hard and honest look as to the reasons why, ICC leaders assert that it has nothing to do with the false doctrine and spiritually unhealthy practices they burden members with. Instead they claim that God is responsible, "No one truly falls away [from the one true church-the ICC], God cuts them off the vine. This is so the vine will be even more fruitful!"<br /><br />Or how about this manipulative passion cry from another ICC leader, "I'm just super fired up about how God is exposing all types of sin, breaking hard hearts, and refining the faith of the disciples. The fire of God is purging the church and I am loving it! We're going to be MORE PURE, MORE HOLY, and BE MORE USED BY GOD now. Let's go!" <br /><br />This is all common ICC rhetoric used to manipulate, scare and guilt those who have or are thinking of leaving the group. The good news is that these abusive tactics are becoming less and less effective as more people are speaking out and sharing their experiences on social media. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-51392567654415457952015-06-06T12:38:39.776-07:002015-06-06T12:38:39.776-07:00The ICC just completed their Special Mission's...The ICC just completed their Special Mission's Drive and guess where they'll be sending Kip and Elena on vacation this month? Beautiful Sydney, Austrailia!!! Nice to see the members' hard work and sacrifice being put to good use. Side Note: Still waiting for a photo of Kip and Elena donning the group's M.E.R.C.Y. t-shirts holding the orange buckets begging for money on a street corner like they require their members' to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-55589528758971441932015-06-06T12:08:57.266-07:002015-06-06T12:08:57.266-07:00The ICC did this with a Miss USA contestant a coup...The ICC did this with a Miss USA contestant a couple years ago. They made her a church intern before she could even dry off and helped pay for her move to Los Angeles to "strengthen" the AMS ministry. Kip, as you put it, was "banking" on her pseudo-celebrity status to bring in more recruits. Yet, when she started to disagree with some of the ICC doctrine and practices she was labeled "spiritually weak" and put on notice. Like most that join the ICC, she eventually left the organization hopefully with her faith and dignity in tact. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-9201387605828183642015-06-06T11:54:00.692-07:002015-06-06T11:54:00.692-07:00Ahhh...the Bartholomew girls -Kelly and Joan. It&...Ahhh...the Bartholomew girls -Kelly and Joan. It's so funny to learn how self righteous these two have become since Kip swooped them up and slapped a label on them, eh-I mean, gave these little ladies a title. Joan and Kyle were hardly the example of a "pure" dating couple back in the day. And well Kelly...let's just say that she didn't move to Hawaii as a campus student to "help the church" the way she often likes to spin the story. There was a dude involved. <br /><br />My guess is that the old guards like Chris and Sonja Chloupek will soon be ostracized because of their some what liberal views (eg. what is appropriate christian attire) in favor of the younger, spiritually immature but radicalized evangelists and women's ministry leaders Kip has recently tapped in the last few years including Joan and Kelly. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-55142873661763773672015-06-04T17:25:53.670-07:002015-06-04T17:25:53.670-07:00Is this when the leaders sits these people down an...Is this when the leaders sits these people down and convince them to give up their worldly dreams and ambition for kipdom dreams, ahem, I mean kingdom dreams, throw them on staff, where they get a big head and collect a paycheck for several years for basically doing nothing but giving some dull sermon week after week. And then when the church collapses these people don't have any marketable skills and the best job they can get is either as a coffee shop barista or selling selling Pre-paid Legal. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com