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So in the present case I advise you:...Acts 5:38-39<br /><br />So in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone. Let them go! For if their purpose or endeavor is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God."서울출장안마https://www.terry-massage.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-17989232446772698382022-09-05T16:59:45.141-07:002022-09-05T16:59:45.141-07:00👍👍Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-13620068236448659732021-11-23T17:29:27.939-08:002021-11-23T17:29:27.939-08:00Same ^ I saw the same thing first hand. Crazy ho...Same ^ I saw the same thing first hand. Crazy how one side of the story seems reasonable until you hear the other. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-69498334617630671012021-11-23T17:28:21.894-08:002021-11-23T17:28:21.894-08:00With that language, it sounds less like you found ...With that language, it sounds less like you found God and you found your itching ear's version of "god." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-84235889658122883632021-11-22T17:15:27.486-08:002021-11-22T17:15:27.486-08:00It's so sad to read this blog post and know bo...It's so sad to read this blog post and know both sides of the story. If I had no idea what the both sides of the story were, I would've thought that Kip and the ICC were eViL. Victor Jr. It's been years since you wrote this and it breaks my heart that hundreds of people have read your petty story. I was in your ministry, your ungodly ministry and I myself had tried multiple times approaching you and Aurora about the alarming things you would teach and about the times how no one in church would show up when you and Aurora were out on vacation pretty often. I had to bring these concerns to Kip because you two would just say "you're just being emotional", when clearly, no one in the church you were leading were faithful disciples. When you found out I reached out to Kip, you told the church, they all turned on me and called me all sorts of names. You then, along with you wife, told me in person, that I was dead to you along with many other words. You, my dEaR brother, have acted just like, if not, WORSE than Kip ever has. I am stating all this to you 7 years later. I am no longer apart of the ICC. But I do remember what I saw, what I heard from you first hand, in a foreign country. You talked about "getting more numbers than the LA church" and so so so much more. your claims about Cory and Kip are extremely petty. Quite frankly, you deserved to be maybe at least punched in the face for the amount of pride and ignorance you had and for all the people you've lead astray for so many years. I wish this childish post would be brought down. It's extremely deceiving and leads many astray. DO BETTER. - SARAGreat Gochezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065775396511666588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-10972949646207645812021-10-28T10:37:58.433-07:002021-10-28T10:37:58.433-07:00If you knew the depth of his sin, you wouldn't...If you knew the depth of his sin, you wouldn't think this way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-26916792873590598052021-09-13T15:51:40.918-07:002021-09-13T15:51:40.918-07:00I know how this group can be. I was a part of the...I know how this group can be. I was a part of the Eugene ICC from 2004-07. I stood by being a good little sheep to the leaders and watched as my wife was torn apart every women's midweek and came home in tears. I stood as everyone dressed me down and told me to quit my job and beat my street because i worked during times of meetings of the body. That no matter what i did the leaders of this movement were keeping score. I drank the Kool Aid for four years and enough was enough. September 10th 2008. The day I started following God and stopped following a bunch of narcissistic pricks. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993837524985502946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-46099557874577428752021-09-12T19:58:17.415-07:002021-09-12T19:58:17.415-07:00I remember meeting you when you were younger when ...I remember meeting you when you were younger when my wife and I were a part of ICC. I'm glad you got out, man. And the fact that your own father stood against you, and your mother was told not to care for her grandchildren. Just shows what a manipulative group that is. Blessings to you and your wife and best of luck. Formerly known as Big Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04382524384522466226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-16522034261816158992018-05-21T01:25:28.171-07:002018-05-21T01:25:28.171-07:00at LallenICCmember
[ rich leaders ]
You've...at LallenICCmember <br /><br />[ rich leaders ] <br /><br />You've clearly never been on the finance team. They live check to check just like most of us. Some drive beat up cars, have roommates, need to get cash advances and even use money given as gifts to pay bills or to advance the kingdom. The only ones that truly live above lower middle class are the ones who already had money to begin with. <br /><br />[ Did Jesus or Paul get paid ]<br /><br />Paul himself said he had the RIGHT to be paid. Since John ch1 shows that Paul's words are still the Word of God by the spirit, your position about Jesus himself is nullified. <br /><br />[ ICC and 5am prayers ] <br /><br />Nonsense; that was your ministry, for a selected instance for a temporary period of time. It's a morning prayer for the souls of your campus and your own relationship with God. If you were discipled for 8 am, it's due to defiance, not because of a man-made rule. <br /><br />[ Reading for an hour ]<br /><br />There is no minister in the kingdom who claims 1 hour is the standard. That was a standard given to you as advice. You seemingly took it upon yourself to go against the advice from the individual God himself put in your life to help you grow. Not only did you still act on your own, but you slander her indirectly behind their back. Do you really think this is Biblical?<br /><br />[ Don't miss meetings of the body ]<br /><br />Hebrews 10:25 & Phil 4:1-6 pretty much ruin your feelings on this. Don't give up meeting together & be completely unified. It's not an ICC thing, it's a BIBLE THING.<br /><br />[ Need the 10% ]<br /><br />The church doesn't need your 10%, nor does God. They need your obedience. It seems like just based on this first third of a paragraph, you hate the idea of sacrificial giving for the overseas msisionaries.You wouldn't feel that way if your blood mother and father were the very people you were supporting.<br /><br />[ Do not be equally yoked ] <br /><br />So what do you expect? Just throw 2 Corinthians 6 out the window? It's either light or darkness. You can't have the gray area of sentimenality. <br /><br />[ Read your Bible Everyday or you sin ]<br /><br />Are you telling me that if you met the love of your life, you would really struggle to have an equal , back and forth relationship LESS than 1 hour in a day? Yeah right. If God is supposed to be your #1 and your entire life FOCUSES on Him, 1 hour is merely an opinion based, starting point. The fact that you practically ARGUE against this shows your LACK of a Berean heart. Sad.<br /><br />[ Kip never repented ]<br /><br />You don't know Kip. You clearly weren't there when the split happened you certainly weren't on the finance team. Kip had no money sins, nor is he "rich" from church as you believe. This is ignorance.<br /><br />[ Tithing ]<br /><br />This isn't a law, it's pre-law. Re-read Genesis, Jesus is the high priest of Melchizedek and we do it in submission, reverence and honor of Him. Jesus destroyed all the civil and ceremonial laws on the cross. The only reason it FEELS like any Christian obeys the moral laws is because it's unloving to NOT obey them. This is encompassed within the greatest command. <br /><br />[ Your daughter ]<br /><br />Look, I'm sorry you and your daughter are in a tough spot financially, but thinking Kip's pre-ministry wealth has anything to do with this is deflecting from a bigger issue.<br /><br />Your lack of accurate ideologies and slander is a salvation issue. Your seperation from the body of Christ is a salvation issue. Your lack of forgiveness is a salvation issue. Your lack of desire to be unified on topics such as sacrifice and purity of yoke is a salvation issue. You CLEARLY have deeper issues than a dollar menu diet. <br /><br />I beg you, repent, ask God to change your heart because the ONLY THING worse according to the Bible than a person who rejects becoming a disciple, is a person who becomes a disciple THEN FALLS AWAY ( like you have done ) to trample the cross publicly like this.<br /><br />To insult disciples is to insult the body of Christ and Chris himself. You couldn't even become restored somewhere else with this heart. <br /><br />Please repent, please. :(<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-30730307683095411122018-05-09T09:26:13.333-07:002018-05-09T09:26:13.333-07:00Since people want to talk smack and defend their p...Since people want to talk smack and defend their precious leader this is a message to you. Your paying your leaders to live rich while you struggle with your financial situation.you do the same work except preach on Sundays yet you dont get paid. Did Jesus or Paul get paid? NO! Je kept his job as a tentmaker which benefit him as a portable job.the problem with ICC is they talk to much where the bible is silent. They make man made rules.just like mark 7 with the followers who didn't wash their hands. ICC has the rule of praying in the early morning like at 5am. But when i prayed at 8 am i was discipled to change. I was "in sin". Sometimes i had finals or a lot of HW but that didn't matter. I didn't read the bible for a hour and again i fell in sin because i wasn't PUTTING God's kingdom first. Another rule they have is not to miss any meetings of the body. If i came late i would be discipled for it but the leaders could move the start of church so they wouldn't be late. You can't miss Sundays because they need your 10 percent to exist. You could watch the message on facebook and it wouldn't matter to them you have to come physically to church. Another rule that is a contraction is do not talk to certain people because your yolk will be contaminated. But when you share your faith it is okay to reach anyone on campus.(they could praise satan and it would be okay ) all these rules are not in the bible. Does it say "read your bible everyday for one hour or else that is a sin"No!why are you a ICC member okay with paying for someone's mortgage taxes? Kip never repented he said sorry but he didn't have a change of heart. Did ge return the money ?No! Did he ever get "restored " on YouTube? No! Why does Kip Mckean enjoy a wealthy lifestyle while you have to eat from the dollar menu? Your following a corporation hidden as a church. Ask kip McKean or any of your leaders to be serve the lord for free. Tell them to keep their jobs and still run the church. They would never do it. Untill then i will remain a fall away . I refuse to follow a mega church institution. ICC has corporation positions that are renamed paid staff . No! You have a payroll, you have a accountant, they haveva CEO which is Tim. The only law that ICC practices is tithing. All the laws were pinned to the cross when jesus died. They won't kill animals for their sin and justify their believes that the old laws were done with. But the ONLY LAW they follow is the tithing law. That is why the are a old and new testament church because their practices have to connected to their believes. It is silly how they pick and choose only certain laws or ceremonies to continue tradition but they won't kill a animal for their forgivnessof their sins. It is only used what is convenient to ICC leaders. I spoke all these issues to a member and they told me that no church is perfect. She's right. No church is perfect because they all are money hungry. While i was pregant i gave 50% of what my allowance was. It wasn't earned income. I had to eat dollor menu food to pay for the leaders to sit on their gold throns. Many of the church members would seek food banks because they went broke over the church. Is kip going to food banks? Are his children living in poverty? No. But my daughter has to suffer? FallenICCmemberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693182369647511376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-28211373733421260272017-08-29T12:50:39.458-07:002017-08-29T12:50:39.458-07:00Acts 5:38-39
So in the present case I advise you...Acts 5:38-39 <br /><br />So in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone. Let them go! For if their purpose or endeavor is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-74279119995261747912017-08-24T10:28:22.783-07:002017-08-24T10:28:22.783-07:00I left the Boston Movement in 1990. Stumbled upon ...I left the Boston Movement in 1990. Stumbled upon this blog and am very sad and even sickened to hear that Kip is reverting back to his old ways and his own same old narcissistic controlling self and is going to hurt a whole new generation of people who are truly seeking God. Kip didn't change. The "movement " hasn't changed. It was all lip service. He's like a criminal who was put in jail and then released on parole and reverts back to his same old criminal ways once he's free. Jesus said a tree is known by its fruit, by their fruit you will know them. Look at the fruit the Boston movement, the ICOC, the ICC, The sold out discipling movement, whatever you want to call it, has produced it's nothing but rotten in the core stinking bad fruit with a pretty skin on the outside!Kipisabadapplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295233853433834644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-86300596404280196742017-01-08T10:00:56.052-08:002017-01-08T10:00:56.052-08:00Yep cause being lost is what happens when you are ...Yep cause being lost is what happens when you are a part of ICCmoodymoose77https://www.blogger.com/profile/03537096515088606192noreply@blogger.com