tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post1387050551122885120..comments2024-03-28T00:40:09.996-07:00Comments on <center>City Of Angels International Christian Church (ICC) Blog</center>: Why I Left the City Of Angels International Christian ChurchUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-73119132881200288212022-07-24T17:09:19.291-07:002022-07-24T17:09:19.291-07:00What does the Bible say is the true church where w...What does the Bible say is the true church where we are called out of all others?<br /><br />Revelation 14 6-12, especially<br />"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and the FAITH OF JESUS."<br /><br />Revelation 19:10<br />"And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the TESTIMONY OF JESUS is the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY."<br /><br />Come out of anything else and join those who have an ear and hear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-91883057984977412512018-08-12T18:07:28.323-07:002018-08-12T18:07:28.323-07:00Is it true that disciples in the icoc rape and mol...Is it true that disciples in the icoc rape and molest women and children if so can we all get away from this kray kray cultAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-19213915965273491342018-07-20T22:39:53.195-07:002018-07-20T22:39:53.195-07:00
I was a member of the icoc and a member of icc, I...<br />I was a member of the icoc and a member of icc, I am a baptized disciple of Christ, although I strongly disagree with all the twisted teachings about collecting money for planting churches at the expense of poor people, And tithing that is no longer part of the New Testament, tithing collected by Levite priest because the lord ordered this tithing for they had no inheritance in Israel. However the biblical giving was supposed to be from a cheerful and giving heart, not forced and compulsive giving., God doesn’t want this kind of giving. The Bible says “ not to lord it over those entrusted to you”. Kip McKean however twisted this to meet his neaty greedy selfish ambitions regardless of what the Bible commanded and regardless of who goes or stays. At the end of the day they want their money bags full using ministry work as an excuse to cheat God’s people. He never gives back and if he did only because he wants to show himself to be this poor saint, and to cover over his greed, and falsify these allegations that rose against him. I know he is up to no good. There are lots of encrypted teachings in God’s word they cannot uncover because they aren’t spiritual enough to uncover them. In order to keep people faithful they themselves need to grow spiritually but unfortunately they can’. For they replaced God’s word with material things and worthless money. in order to help grow spiritually, what use baptizing people and then seeing everyone hurt and stuck spiritually and eventually leave the church, obviously somebody isn’t doing his job. After understanding some of the encrypted messages I came to recognize that kip’s Intentions aren’t really God’s Work. I can’t believe the things I used to tell myself in order to sedate over these. After awhile I realized I just couldn’t keep my mouth shut. I was manipulated with all sorts of things, being prideful, arrogant and unwilling to repent. Robbing God is their motto, using Old Testament scriptures “ you rob me of your tithing”. And few other scriptures they use to manipulate people with., I’m just sorry for all the disciples out there that had endured these horrible experiences from the so called leaders., I’m sure many are looking for a church that doesn’t compromise God’s word for selfish reasons., if all of you disciples out there will come together I’m almost 100% certain that Kip McKean and all the like will be left out of business., I’ve seen disciples travel back and forth between icoc and icc because they need God., I hope after this blog someone will start gathering these disciples and all those who are in spiritual needs and are still faithful in their hearts to god.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13648862963856814490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-25889516813354107832018-07-16T20:33:58.917-07:002018-07-16T20:33:58.917-07:00I have left icoc then I left icc, the problem was ...I have left icoc then I left icc, the problem was I knew there was a problem from the beginning, the Bible talk leaders and those who are on payroll are kip’s Dogs they are unleashed to collect the money, they expect every body to tith even if you lost your job, accusing people of robbing God all the time, they use the word of God opposite to what it says and what it means, it’s a hard core insane, I know that they know that about these teachings are wrong, but the fact they are on payroll their jobs are hassle free, they don’t want to lose that. So they fight with their heart and soul to get the money from everyone. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13648862963856814490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-5729341314998965642018-06-18T00:41:51.267-07:002018-06-18T00:41:51.267-07:00The charismatic deceptions of Kip / Thomas and his...The charismatic deceptions of Kip / Thomas and his smitten entourage of leaders that enjoy the power bequeathed upon them by their almighty McKean have spiritually raped thousands for past and ongoing self-gain, self-glory, and sheer materialism. The ‘flock’ has been their means to an end that continues to take advantage of the good-hearted, naive, and young. The fact that they can’t recognize the massive hypocrisies and sin in their own and unrepentant behavior leaves the motives of their heart in shambles, and until God removes that from their eyes, they will remain zealots to a cause that feeds their egos far beyond what a God ever intended. Just as God exposed the ICOC and imploded their efforts before, God’s Kingdom will not flourish in a house Kip is trying to anchor into his own shifting sand.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11640464383554330310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-45438470211927203122018-06-10T22:29:51.208-07:002018-06-10T22:29:51.208-07:00Jim Jones without the poisoned cool aid Jim Jones without the poisoned cool aid Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-91823570801210786292018-04-12T01:27:59.983-07:002018-04-12T01:27:59.983-07:00I would go broke giving the church sometimes 50% o...I would go broke giving the church sometimes 50% of my income. I was required to because of the 5 core convictions and those beliefs are not taught proor to getting baptized. They don't teach you whatdoesnt benefit them. I never used to read the bible until i got in ICC. I trusted they would teach me right. Instesd i was manipulated to believe their culture which is not of god. We are the one true chruch bt was Christ divided?No! You say i am not saved because i have fallen away. How dare anyone take gods place of final judgment?! I had to eat fast food full of preservatives just so kip can get his mortgage taxes paid? No thank you. You can keep paying his lifestlye if you want. Keep attending ICCM amd paying kip the president.why wpuld you leave your dreams to keep kip on his kings chair? Why can't you go to a Christian university that is accredited? Kip is the only one who was able to recieve a doctorate degree but it isn't available to any other members according to ICCM wevsite. It isn't included as far as options go.What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make full use of my rights as a preacher of the gospel 1 Corinthians 9:18. All ICC has taught me was boadting on facebook and paying to be part of the body/hearing the gospel. FallenICCmemberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693182369647511376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-79681338999860328682018-04-09T00:16:14.725-07:002018-04-09T00:16:14.725-07:00This is upsetting. We give account to God. The Hol...This is upsetting. We give account to God. The Holy Spirit convicts, not man. Shame on this pressure, self driven church. Remember this!!..<br /><br />“But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.<br />Mark 9:42 NKJV<br /><br />https://bible.com/bible/114/mrk.9.42.NKJV<br /><br />If these accounts are true, I would hate to be in the shoes of the leaders of any cult!!<br /><br />God gives you choice, and guides and molds you. He does not force or pressure. We are to be a light unto the world, God encourages us to love others but not conform to this world. That does not mean you stay away from your family or stop your schooling! Why wouldn't God want us to be a good witness in word and action, built up for God's use?? A cult is worthless, God doesn't force people, EVER! <br /><br />Be aware and be cautious always. My prayers for all in any cult. ��Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-25295623586767164342018-03-20T22:13:20.218-07:002018-03-20T22:13:20.218-07:00I am so grateful for this post. Thank you so much ...I am so grateful for this post. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I was invited to this church but I just wanted to do some research before going and I found your post. God is a just God. God bless you and your family always. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-44441289072211449692018-01-25T02:16:46.004-08:002018-01-25T02:16:46.004-08:00I was also asked this stuff as well and was told d...I was also asked this stuff as well and was told daily if I had something to tell my discipler that was "not letting me get close to god".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-5385037355219720482018-01-20T23:49:28.979-08:002018-01-20T23:49:28.979-08:00Why must the icoc know about my purity and faithfu...Why must the icoc know about my purity and faithfulness I'm pretty much loyal and concerned that I'm joining a cult like Tom cruise and his Christ scientist cult or like the mormans who claim they are real christiansAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-35229673002810678402018-01-18T04:18:11.353-08:002018-01-18T04:18:11.353-08:00I too was a member of the icc. I thought that this...I too was a member of the icc. I thought that this group was okay because the people who got me there were nice. During the bible studies, I began to neglect my school work and once I got baptised, they had a grasp on me. This all began in the middle of my 3rd year in college(I am currently a 4th year in college). In December, I began to notice how they were controlling me. I always had to tell the leader of my group what I was doing. There was a time when I would be gone to visit my sister in northern California(I currently live in socal)and I was asked for how long I would be gone and if there was a church there. I noticed that they tried to convince me not to go and I should ask for advice. This was when i began to see something wrong. Another incident was when I was busy during women's ministry and wanted to focus on my school work. They basically forced me to go by making me feel that it's bad to miss "fellowship".I would tell then that i needed to focus on school, but they would make feel like i should be putting God first and not school. They made me feel bad when it came to asking people to come to out church. I consider myself a quiet person and had trouble talking with strangers. They made me feel bad when I couldn't get one person to come to the meetings. They would open there bibles and ask me to read the passages that would help me. Toward the end of my 3rd year was when I knew that this group was manipulating me. I began to miss their meeting and began to get messages and calls from them. I ignored them because I did not want to be manipulated again. After leaving, I felt a new feeling of relief and currently, this group has affected the way I see church and God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-45558182725667309342016-11-20T15:16:31.527-08:002016-11-20T15:16:31.527-08:00The last time I checked, people ruin their own liv...The last time I checked, people ruin their own lives but want someone to blame. An instrument of the devil??? Sounds a bit extreme and not really Christ-like to call him that. It sounds more judgmental than anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-28133807753604294692016-08-01T16:57:37.075-07:002016-08-01T16:57:37.075-07:00How would you help someone else to get out of this...How would you help someone else to get out of this? What did it take for your to leave? Do you have anyone that can speak with someone involved to share your experience?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-1348857555721974392016-06-13T15:20:24.922-07:002016-06-13T15:20:24.922-07:00May I ask how long you were in the ICC before leav...May I ask how long you were in the ICC before leaving, When did it start to become apparent that it was feeling not right for you and you were questioning things? Was it hard to leave? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-45861567458903819382016-06-05T12:48:07.331-07:002016-06-05T12:48:07.331-07:00I feel like this church believes that they are the...I feel like this church believes that they are the only ones who know the true way to become saved. I have gone through their discipleship bible studies, and everything they teach is straight from the bible, which is good. The thing is, they have a very narrow mind set on what a disciple really is, and how specifically one NEEDS to be made. To them, if there is someone who claims to be a disciple of christ outside their church, the ICC believes they probably aren't a real disciple. Which is very stubborn of them, because people outside their church read the bible, live as Christ did, and give their lives to Christ. They know what they are doing too. The ICC aren't the only ones who have figured it out, but they STRONGLY believe that. Which is bothersome because there are plenty of other churches out there who know how to make disciples and understand what baptism is. If you try to leave this church, or even go and visit another church while being a member of this church...you will be wrong in their eyes because to them, they're the only ones who have figured it out. <br /><br />Getting baptized in the ICC was one of the more nervous moments for me being there. Which I feel wasn't the best for my experience. Being baptized should be something I should've been excited to do, and should've ran to do! But instead I feel like it was forced upon me. &after baptism, I feel like I gave my life more to this church, rather than god himself. I needed to take a step back, breathe...and realize i could have the relationship with god in an other church, without all the constriction of this one. I love god, and understand that Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins. I still live my life by the scriptures, just in another church, and you know...i still have an excellent relationship with god. &in this church i am creating disciples, people who are giving their life to jesus. Its a beautiful thing, and the ICC is not the only ones who know how to do this. I can't stress that enough.<br /><br />God bless all of you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-88480359651388094902016-05-19T22:15:26.468-07:002016-05-19T22:15:26.468-07:00I thank God every day for what He has done in my l...I thank God every day for what He has done in my life. I was never part of the ICC, but I was in another ministry called the University Bible Fellowship that is hauntingly similar. Everything from the discipling methods to the comments of current members on this forum brings back memories ("Have you gone back to your old sinful ways?" "What are you doing to grow in faith if you aren't in the ministry?" etc.). It is, I believe, an aspect of God's will for me that I went through my time in UBF so that I can minister to those who are suffering from unbiblical discipleship systems.<br /><br />Please, those who are reading, pray that the Spirit would lead you to the Truth. The ICC is not a unique movement of faith. There are countless groups that teach and practice the same sorts of things, and they are all considered cults. UBF, the Moonies, the Church of Wells, you name it... believe it or not, it is possible for a group to be theologically orthodox and yet corrupted by human traditions of abusive shepherding.<br /><br />I have no doubt that there are many in the ICC who are genuine in their faith and their desire to serve God, but please understand that these dangerous aspects do exist. We as Christians need to be prepared to speak out against any work that is not of God. "True followers will be persecuted"--every group that I listed and more says the exact same thing. It is not unique, it is a common manipulation technique. Persecution is NOT the sign of true faith. What is? John 13:35. In love I am begging that the LORD would bring grace and understanding.<br /><br />I almost do not want to be too harsh with my plea, but I feel led to write the following. Do you think that it is by the works of men that God saves souls? The Spirit moves where He pleases. God saves whom He chooses. Our works are merely the "working out" of what God has already worked in. When we try to take control of other people through human efforts--heavy discipleship, coercion, etc.--we replace the Spirit. Do you think that the ICC has been successful in spreading God's Kingdom? It has done the same thing that every cult has done: expanded rapidly like fire and then frozen to choke those who should be growing in their faith. Oh believe it, God is working, and He is working outside of the ICC: you simply need to open your eyes to see.<br /><br />I implore you, do not let the traditions of men strangle those whom God would otherwise see growing.<br /><br />Thank you for this post. Christ be with you all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12957291587885623298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-32055204541942992622016-03-22T14:24:28.557-07:002016-03-22T14:24:28.557-07:00Correction and FYI, ICOC does not speak badly abou...Correction and FYI, ICOC does not speak badly about any church, including the newer fellowship (ICC). Our focus is on Loving God and Loving others and saving souls. I personally left ICC because of the constant "bullying, name calling, and slandering of other churches" not to mention a lack of love at the leadership level. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-73623438791360610382016-02-28T08:29:57.384-08:002016-02-28T08:29:57.384-08:00Kip Mc Kean is a wolf in sheeps clothing ready to ...Kip Mc Kean is a wolf in sheeps clothing ready to tear into anything that comes before him. He is only out to destroy and will be punished severely when Jesus Christ is coming back to judge the world. They are deceivers going from bad to worse. They even founded their own friggin university. Of course they are laying down their own standards about what the people have to learn and do to earn their ahem, ahem cough cough "degree". And guess who is the Master Dean - well you guessed right - Mc Kean himself. They are a sick bunch of people and not in a good sense. Study the word for yourselves and see that Jesus warned against false prophets leading people astray. We need to be on our guard against false doctrine and take a stand for the sake of our fellow man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-34252360934343405802016-02-28T08:19:54.129-08:002016-02-28T08:19:54.129-08:00Waht about the jailor who fell on his knees, about...Waht about the jailor who fell on his knees, about to kill himself when he saw that the prisoners were free? I am sure he was a bit emotional. WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? Believe in Jesus Christ. And he and his household were baptised later in the night. Haha!. I am sure the church would have first placed him on a training programm and some heart searching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-40964558463412294282016-02-28T08:10:46.260-08:002016-02-28T08:10:46.260-08:00Amen to that. May Kip Mc Kean roast in Hell. And h...Amen to that. May Kip Mc Kean roast in Hell. And his always grinning wife, too. Looking at the website of the church I attended some years ago ,they are still works and not faith oriented. "We believe that becoming a Christian is a process of discovery, training, heart searching and takes time – not an emotional decision made in an instant". What about repenting and placing your faith in Christ and the Gospel? Not a word of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-51340717221949296322016-02-10T05:23:00.555-08:002016-02-10T05:23:00.555-08:00Dude, wake up. The bible says that God is "m...Dude, wake up. The bible says that God is "merciful and abounding in love...patient, kind..." Jesus said "a tender reed I will not break". Kip McKean is worse than the Pharisees who "place burdens on people they themselves couldn't bear". Kip McKean does not have the love of God in his heart. He is an imposter and an angel of darkness. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-73315380315531590532016-02-10T05:17:16.401-08:002016-02-10T05:17:16.401-08:00How about the Totally Committed, Completely Radica...How about the Totally Committed, Completely Radical, 100% Sacrificial, Totally Sinless, 100% Perfect Disciples of God Movement. Ha Ha. I wouldn't put it past Kip McKean. That dirty bastard. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-48690967034738090022016-02-10T05:09:02.966-08:002016-02-10T05:09:02.966-08:00I think the verdict has been out for years on cult...I think the verdict has been out for years on cult leader, Kip McKean. He has notoriously ruined the lives of thousands of innocent people throughout the 1980's, 1990's and 2,000's. Kip is an instrument of the devil and has no fear of God. He will be severely punished on judgement day. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-18029287660345236582015-09-12T20:22:53.725-07:002015-09-12T20:22:53.725-07:00Ed. You once told me you wish you never fell away,...Ed. You once told me you wish you never fell away, when you got restored and got a ring. Now your telling a different story. Which is it? You are you glad you fell away or not. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com