tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post1224724931843025454..comments2024-03-18T01:18:16.917-07:00Comments on <center>City Of Angels International Christian Church (ICC) Blog</center>: Kip McKean to Step Down as Leader of City of Angels CultUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-52253433636133509122023-01-01T18:01:43.299-08:002023-01-01T18:01:43.299-08:00What's your email?What's your email?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-30310242582787989162022-10-19T21:23:52.175-07:002022-10-19T21:23:52.175-07:00Can anyone lend a hand trying to get my daughter o...Can anyone lend a hand trying to get my daughter out of this ridiculous church any counseling or some outreach tyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-18633305195683065112017-10-16T10:10:22.625-07:002017-10-16T10:10:22.625-07:00@Anonymous October 12, 2017 at 3:35 PM
I don...@Anonymous October 12, 2017 at 3:35 PM <br /><br />I don't think that was their intent but I still have yet to find one person who left the ICC in righteousness. There is always some huge underlying heart issue they are numb or blind to. <br /><br />This to me isn't a matter of being hurt, wronged or sinned against but a matter of can we use Matthew 18 appropriately, and then in turn give the same grace to others. The very fact that there IS INDEED discord on this board that 1 or more parties involved in each instance was in sin. <br /><br />Anyone who has left the icc, then been restored back OR those who signed the "brother's letter to Kip" and then joined the Icc after say the same thing. It's always their pride that kept them in the dark to the depth of their sin. That doesn't nullify the existence of sin on the other person's part, it merely exposes that one party is frequently hard hearted for a time. <br /><br />Experienced, long term disciples who have been in both movements (such as John Causey ) can tell you and testify that there is much repentance on both sides of the fence, but there is more hardline teaching on the side of the Icc. <br /><br />Sometimes, hardline offends the sentimental. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-73751192637623509912017-10-12T15:35:36.286-07:002017-10-12T15:35:36.286-07:00Sept 23, 2017 at 10:23 PM:
Yet you felt compelled ...Sept 23, 2017 at 10:23 PM:<br />Yet you felt compelled to troll this site & post. Also thanks for minimizing other people's pain & making them feel like what they went through doesnt count for anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-42222713073193845142017-09-23T22:23:15.463-07:002017-09-23T22:23:15.463-07:00THIS ENTIRE WEBSITE HAS BEEN BUILT ON PURE SIN... ...THIS ENTIRE WEBSITE HAS BEEN BUILT ON PURE SIN... NOTHING BUT HATE, BITTERNESS, RESENTMENT, LIES, AND THE LIST COULD GO ON... <br /><br />SAD TO SEE SUCH PEOPLE IN SUCH SIN... CAUGHT UP HOPING, AND PLOTTING FOR OTHERS TO FALL.... A BUNCH OF PLANK EYES WALKING AROUND POINTING AT EACH OTHER.... <br /><br />PLEASE REPENT... READ YOUR BIBLE... PRAY... PRAY SOME MORE... AND SIMPLY BE A DISCIPLE... STOP CRYING AND POINTING FINGERS... <br /><br />JESUS DIDN'T SIT AROUND AND CRY OVER ANYONE FOR WHAT THEY DID, OR DIDN'T DO... HE SIMPLY DID THE LORDS WORK, THOSE WHO WERE ON BOARD, WENT WITH HIM.. THOSE WHO WERE NOT... SAT AROUND WRITING RUBBISH LIKE THIS.....<br />PRAYING FOR YOU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-36298642905069188652017-08-29T12:48:36.611-07:002017-08-29T12:48:36.611-07:00So what are you doing to UNITE THE BODY OF CHRIST?...So what are you doing to UNITE THE BODY OF CHRIST? Certainly not slandering people who are legitimately saved, that's for sure. Honestly man, do you really think anyone is going to come across YOUR comment and be like, "Kipisabadapple is so encouraging. I think his comments are unifying the body of true believers." Yeah right. Do what Jesus did, live by example and the sheep will see your life and come to you. The will of God cannot be stopped so why bother posting alongside a series of fallaways drowning so deep in sin they cannot see it? Seriously? Are you that dull? Are you that numb in sin that you cannot see the demonic spirit on this blog? Flee sin! <br /><br />Acts 5:38-39 <br /><br />So in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone. Let them go! For if their purpose or endeavor is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-35074251882156427642017-08-29T12:43:17.126-07:002017-08-29T12:43:17.126-07:00Let me correct myself: I'm NOT referring to th...Let me correct myself: I'm NOT referring to the people who left the Coc for doctrinal truth or the Icoc to escape lukewarmness. I'm specifically talking about the Icc since this blog is targeted toward it. <br /><br />Please, post the name of ONE person who left the ICC in righteousness. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-30265340758217745772017-08-22T17:49:30.973-07:002017-08-22T17:49:30.973-07:00Furthermore, it's sad how people like you are ...Furthermore, it's sad how people like you are so absolutely tone deaf the needs of its own members.Kipisabadapplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295233853433834644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-32426964774826692302017-08-22T17:00:53.591-07:002017-08-22T17:00:53.591-07:00Not once huh? You are either blind, prideful and a...Not once huh? You are either blind, prideful and arrogant, or simply have not been in very long. Open your eyes you blind guide!Kipisabadapplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295233853433834644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-71167235731794836842017-08-22T16:58:55.268-07:002017-08-22T16:58:55.268-07:00Kip reminds me of a criminal that's been in ja...Kip reminds me of a criminal that's been in jail and then gets out on parole and after his release goes out and commits the same crimes all over again!Kipisabadapplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295233853433834644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-28416811641174617232017-08-18T12:46:28.641-07:002017-08-18T12:46:28.641-07:00I don't understand how would possible a church...I don't understand how would possible a church that preach hypocrisy and lie, such as if you're not a member of ICOC or ICC then you will go to hell. Where are we going is only God judgement. God has already forgave and forget our sin, Jesus is our sacrificial lamb. Hebrew 10, Jeremiah 31. It's up to us to have a relationship with God or not. I am building my relationships with the Lord in every moment that I get. The Lord is my way and true. Thank you Lord carrying me when<br />I am upset.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01418691595134486661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-65716658041682581572017-07-26T08:19:02.624-07:002017-07-26T08:19:02.624-07:00This was well put and loving of you. I agree with ...This was well put and loving of you. I agree with your assessment. I'm happy to see as well that Tim is in a good place though. He is much more gentle now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-84674213026841260312017-07-17T11:08:26.381-07:002017-07-17T11:08:26.381-07:00I was one of the individuals under whom Tim Kernen...I was one of the individuals under whom Tim Kernen first studied the Bible when he became a Christian in the small Montreal Church of Christ a few years before he had any contact with Kip (for that matter, I think I was the one to first meet him in cold contact evangelism). I had the role of his "discipler" (which I was fairly bad at) and lived with him and a few others for the next couple of years. I can say that I'm not surprised that he took up with Kip. Tim has a good sense of humor and is easy going on the surface, but he is driven and somewhat high strung on a deeper level and occasionally displays a decidedly ruthless side to his character. That said, I think he was well intentioned, thoughtful, innovative and a strong and potentially inspiring leader, something I can say in spite of my eventual and fairly bitter falling out with him - something for which I take at least some of the blame. I've barely kept up with his movements since leaving the Church (which incidentally didn't look much like a "cult" from my angle), but it looks like he basically has the sort of roll I would expect him to end up in. I would worry about a likely authoritarian streak given his character (he can be pretty overwhelming!), but it's impossible to know how much he has mellowed through the years. He has the potential to do a lot good in the right setting and a lot of harm in the wrong one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-62624549616318681682017-03-28T08:58:20.951-07:002017-03-28T08:58:20.951-07:00Right? It's sad how every time I see blogs lik...Right? It's sad how every time I see blogs like this, it's all distorted, half-truth, sentimental, lukewarm people congregating to slander. As someone who has ties with all 3 movements, and majority of you involved, you need to repent. Not ONCE in all my years have I seen someone step away in complete righteousness. They always have some huge looming sin overhead. AlwaysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-45938264099274264912017-03-27T08:48:38.928-07:002017-03-27T08:48:38.928-07:00This blog is about the icc , not the icoc; regardl...This blog is about the icc , not the icoc; regardless point taken. This whole website is dead. Anyone who is even remotely objective and not in deliberate habitual sin can see the fallacy throughout these half-truth twists. tbh, the dishonesty here is comparable to a satire magazine at a grocery store. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-22352100196281091872017-02-23T06:22:56.296-08:002017-02-23T06:22:56.296-08:00Just a correction. It is 100 Hospitals and 100 Sch...Just a correction. It is 100 Hospitals and 100 Schools and not 1000 of eachPaulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-41463325419150564532017-02-23T04:32:30.575-08:002017-02-23T04:32:30.575-08:00I was part of the Cape Town church and the Johanne...I was part of the Cape Town church and the Johannesburg church in South Africa for a total of 15 Years. I left because I felt I was not growing as a Christian and was not getting the help I needed as an emptynester. I was no longer happy in services. They spoke about love but did not demonstrate it very much although I know others found the churches very loving. What I did gain from being in the ICOC is how to "Dig" deep into God's word and study and understand what He expects from us. I had 5 friends become Christians in a space of 10 years. This was only by God's grace. I learnt to spread the word of God and not be ashamed to stand up to the fact that I am a Christian both at work and with my family and friends. My friends who became Christians find great advise for their marriage and parenting. My son of 35 and his wife have also been in the ICOC for 11 years. They are still members and serve in the church in Dubai UAE. They too find loads of help and advise to help their marriage grow and with raising their 2 children with love and discipline. My eldest sister was in the ICOC for 26 years. she too left 2 years ago. She felt it was God's will for her and her husband who was a disciple for 15 years to move on. The ICOC have an amazing ministry for Gay and Lesbian members and anyone who wants to get help. They teach God's love and assist in staying pure and faithful to God. This ministry just keeps on growing year after year. The Ministry is called "Strength In Weakness" I have stayed faithful to God. I am a Messianic Jew and by God's grace I am growing closer and closer to God.Yes, once you leave the ICOC all your "so called" brothers and sisters in Christ disappear and you are "labeled" as an outsider but they did teach me a lot of lessons and I heard many sermons that other churches would dare not preach about. In the USA and many other countries there are HUGE churches outside of the ICOC where there are hundreds of evangelists who have $10 000 000 and more in their banks account. Jesus spoke about the poor many times. He told the rich man to sell everything he had and follow him. Why are you not attacking these "False Prophets"? Who claim to be children of God yet there are millions of poor people around them. I live in Africa and see the poverty. I know of 10 Evangelists in the USA alone who have a combined wealth of over $100 000 000. In South Africa that could build over 1000 schools and 1000 hospitals and feed 100 000 children everyday for 10 years. Yes I am no longer a member of the ICOC but they DID teach me to have a closer relationship with God and to share my faith and help GROW God's kingdom. In closing when I first became involved with the ICOC I was a 30 year old drug addict and divorcee and did not have a great relationship with my 2 small sons of 6 and 4. I was suicidal and it was my eldest sister who told me about the ICOC. Today my 2 sons are my best friends and I am a proud grandfather of 4 beautiful children. I became actively involved in my sons lives in the same month I was baptized in 1990. The church urged me to be the best father I could be. Unfortunately both my sons also gave in to peer pressure and did drugs in their youth however today they are happily married. The one son has been married for 10 years and the other for 8 years. As mentioned my eldest son and his wife are disciples. They still have "date night" weekly. How many married couple do that today both those in the church and outside the church? Like ANY church the world over the ICOC is not perfect and many people have had bad experiences including me. BUT they have also got many many good points and teachings straight from THE WORD OF GOD. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385248554387541259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-59800653515543314912016-12-03T07:58:19.232-08:002016-12-03T07:58:19.232-08:00Regardless of your stance, your writing is atrocio...Regardless of your stance, your writing is atrocious and so riddled with sarcasm that it's almost impossible to even take you serious. Your writing is so filled with half baked truths and "opinions" which you call truth, when the fact is that you were simply bitter because you weren't getting your way.<br /><br />That being said, the ICC is far from perfect, in fact it's flawed is so many areas that a simple response here wouldn't do it any justice. Are there truths to your statements? Yes. Some are very accurate, but rather then stand on a soap box dissing Kip and his followers, have you ever thought to just be open and honest with, A) Who you are (because I know who you are), B) Posting conversations you've had with leadership and allow that to speak for itself, C) Explain what your "solution" was, where did you go, where do you worship now and how is it different?<br /><br />I've wanted to leave for a while but clearly as much as people tear the church apart, they still are 95% more obedient to the scriptures then any other church I've attended. Sadly, even the ICOC holds more true then the corner community church.<br /><br />Look forward to your response. BTW, I'm anonymous because I'm still in the ministry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-30036004924149772222016-08-27T00:37:12.848-07:002016-08-27T00:37:12.848-07:00Is it sin to use similar terminology? Is central l...Is it sin to use similar terminology? Is central leadership not abundantly evident in the OT/NT? Have you ever read through the Bible study on the topic? I personally changed my mind on the subject after viewing the scriptures in a consolidated format vs cherry-picked autonomous verses. Try it out.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-42313052816026821192016-06-15T19:44:29.804-07:002016-06-15T19:44:29.804-07:00I just had a conversation with kips disciples here...I just had a conversation with kips disciples here in palm desert California and the language they used was like I am a mainline COC and that I'm incorrect because I don't believe in a central church and ask me to join them in their quest to evangelize the nations<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15988000776959965117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-24668489376806780132016-06-15T19:38:20.997-07:002016-06-15T19:38:20.997-07:00I just had a conversation with kips disciples here...I just had a conversation with kips disciples here in palm desert California and the language they used was like I am a mainline COC and that I'm incorrect because I don't believe in a central church and ask me to join them in their quest to evangelize the nations<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15988000776959965117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-72541594589569975582016-05-09T09:15:03.004-07:002016-05-09T09:15:03.004-07:00I don't attend their church first off. Second,...I don't attend their church first off. Second, no one in their church believes this. Stop perpetuating nonsense. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-88807906891403151422016-05-09T09:13:40.168-07:002016-05-09T09:13:40.168-07:00Hyung, as someone who knows Tim personally, I find...Hyung, as someone who knows Tim personally, I find this quote, "turn nasty and resort to personal attacks" laughable. If he truly did this, someone within earshot would abruptly disciple him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-51287130000516847212016-03-14T08:07:35.648-07:002016-03-14T08:07:35.648-07:00That would not seem far off. I have interacted wit...That would not seem far off. I have interacted with Tim when he used to run "Just Disciples" a short time after the Henry Kriete letter, and when Tim was in Montreal at the time. Tim seemed nice at first, but when raising issues about the ICOC, he would immediately turn nasty and resort to personal attacks.<br /><br />And seeing these comments about Tim, none of this surprises me at all. Hyungnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4825487692627607933.post-88873716412674463742015-12-16T10:20:28.172-08:002015-12-16T10:20:28.172-08:00If true, he is in sin and will answer for it. In a...If true, he is in sin and will answer for it. In an alternate scenario, assuming this is NOT his motive, how would Kip's activities be any different than journeyman encourager/grower , Paul? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com